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Spartan December Blister Deletions

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Hello all,

 

I have checked with Spartan and it is OK to circulate this. As expected Blisters are being withdrawn from stockists, starting in December. By the end of December the following Blisters will be unavailable to stockists.

 

Federated States of America

Independence Class Battleship

Lexington Class Cruiser

Saratoga Class Fleet Carrier

A-17 Class Bomber

Tiny Flyers

Springfield Class Escorts

Guilford Class destroyers

John Henry Class Robot

Tennessee Class Land Ship

Valley Class Airship

Revere Class Corvette

Freedom Class Flying Robot

Trenton Class Medium Tank

Yorktown Class Bombard

Reno Class Medium Tank

Triumph Reno Class Command Tank

 

Covenant of Antarctica

Aristotle Class Battleship

Plato Class Cruiser

Diogenes Class Frigate

Ptolemy Class Bomber

Tiny Flyers

Callimachus Class Orb

Daedalus Class Large Flyer

Thales Class Corvette

Zeno Class Armoured Cruiser

Pytheus Class Small Flyer

Tower Set

Bunker Complex

Archimedes Class Heavy Walker

Atticus Class Medium Walker

Herodontus Class Mobile Airfield

Orpheus Class Drone Controller

Skorpios Class Heavy Bombard

 

Empire of the Blazing Sun

Sokatsu Class Battleship

Nakatsu Class Cruiser

Uwatsu Class Frigate

Kitsune Class Escort

Yurgi Class Destroyer

Hachiman Class Dreadnought

Onryo Class Scout Gyro

Fujin Class Corvette

Tetsubo Class Small Flyer

O-I Taka-Ishi Class Heavy Walker

Ho-I Class Bombard

Bansan Class Small Walker

Myobu Class Light Gyro Tank

Miage-Nyudo Class Heavy Walker

Ronin Class Heavy Walker

Komainu Class Garrison Tank

 

Prussian Empire

Emperor Class Battleship

Reiver Class Cruiser

Tiny Flyers

Metzger Class Robot

Metzger Class Robot (W/L)

Jager Class Small Airship

Tower Set

Bunk Complex

A9-V Class ‘Sturmpanzer’ land ship

A6-V Class Medium Tank

B3-S Medium Bombard

Walze Class Small Tank

HM-1 Recke Class Heavy Tank

A2-L Ritter Class Light Tank

 

Kingdom of Britannia

Tribal Class Cruiser

Attacker Class Frigate

Doncaster Class Bomber

Tiny Flyers

Vanguard Class Submarine

Swift Class Corvette

Tower Set

Sovereign Class Land Ship

MKII Class Medium Tank

Cromwell Class Bombard

Terrier Class Small Tank

Brunel Class Mobile Airfield

Lysander Class Landship

Steward Class Guardian Tank

Foxhound Class Light Tank

 

 

It is about half the blister range from each of these factions. Not all factions are losing the same blisters (everyone looses TFTs, most loose battleships, some loose towers none loose medium flyers etc). It seems random who looses what.

 

All models will remain available separately on the Spartan web store but some will be re-arranged so they are sold at squadron size rather than old blister size.

 

This is stage one, the exercise will apparently be repeated on a monthly basis. I would guess that in January either these factions will loose the rest of their blisters or ROF, RF and alliance nations will loose their blisters (this is just me guessing though).

 

There are also Blister deletions for FireStorm Armada but I don’t have this list to hand.

 

Time to stock up everyone!

 

Mountbatten

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I am putting some responses from Spartan below, To your question boxed sets only for stores, seperatly on Spartan web site.

 

Is the deletion just for stockists? So will these products still be available on the Spartan online store separately?

 

Yes - these products will still be available separately in the Spartan Games Online Store.

 

Can I put information on this on the Spartan forums? Others might also want to stock up.

 

Yes - you can share this information in the Spartan Games Community.

 

Looking at the list some blisters are not for deletion (British small flyers, most large flyers) is this a popularity thing?

 

I don't have the list in front of me, but the idea is that most blisters that are available in the boxed sets will be removed and available in some form in the Spartan Games Online Store only (full squadrons or individual models).

 

Will we see similar deletions in the new year for other Dystopian wars factions and if so when?

 

If the blisters are available in boxed sets then yes. Gary will keep the channel informed on a monthly basis.

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Hopefully the lag time between blisters being discontinued and individual models being available via the parts service won't be too great.

I think for stuff which doesn't come as a full squad in blisters (Medium and Small Flyers and Destroyers etc) this makes sense, but for large single set piece things I can see it being really annoying. For example- want a double battleship list? You have to buy two Naval Battle Groups. Want a Dreadnought? You have to buy all these Gunships as well.

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that is lame, the only way to buy a tower will be to buy the whole fortification box :(

 

 

For example- want a double battleship list? You have to buy two Naval Battle Groups. Want a Dreadnought? You have to buy all these Gunships as well.

Mountbatten has clearly said:

 

 

Question: So will these products still be available on the Spartan online store separately?

 

Answer: Yes - these products will still be available separately in the Spartan Games Online Store.

 

You want two battleships? You  can get two battleships without having to buy anything else.

You want a tower? You can buy a tower.

You want exactly 17 TFTs? - Not sure about that one, you might just have to make do with a pack of 30 :P

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Mountbatten has clearly said:

 

 

Question: So will these products still be available on the Spartan online store separately?

 

Answer: Yes - these products will still be available separately in the Spartan Games Online Store.

 

You want two battleships? You  can get two battleships without having to buy anything else.

You want a tower? You can buy a tower.

You want exactly 17 TFTs? - Not sure about that one, you might just have to make do with a pack of 30 :P

 

Wait, so is it the blisters which will be available via the Spartan Store, or individual models via the parts store?

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We already know why Spartan are doing this but from the customer point of view it is bound to mean higher costs.

 

For example, I can get a blister pack of 6 RC Novgorod frigates for £5.85 online, post-free. Buying a blister pack direct from Spartan will cost £6.50 plus £3.00 postage. Buying the models individually will cost £9.00 plus £3.00 postage (assuming that the individual frigates will cost the same as the Veliky escort model already available from the parts service.

 

So a potential total of £12 compared to £5.85 currently. More than double the price !?!

 

Yes I know you can combine with a bigger order to reduce the relative effect of the postage charges but I do sometimes just order a single blister from my current online supplier.

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This might be a slight issue for new players, though they will start with full-sized boxed sets most likely and not have the "i am missing X for a full squadron" case we have today, but heck, if they sell full squadron-sized packs, it's better than almost-full-squadron blisters (hello 4-ship sized cruiser squadrons!).

 

As for the rest of us...you know it'll be phased out to direct service, get what you think you're missing now I guess? Or are you complaining about that theoretical, maybe-in-the-future-if-i-actually-ever-wanted off-chance you might want a blister? My take is- if I haven't bought it yet (and it's a blister and not a box), it means i probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. It's like people complaining that say, Mcdonalds is removing McRib from the menu when they themselves never once bought it...yes, they're removing choice. Choice you never made use of anyway.

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Mountbatten has clearly said:

 

 

Question: So will these products still be available on the Spartan online store separately?

 

Answer: Yes - these products will still be available separately in the Spartan Games Online Store.

 

You want two battleships? You  can get two battleships without having to buy anything else.

You want a tower? You can buy a tower.

You want exactly 17 TFTs? - Not sure about that one, you might just have to make do with a pack of 30 :P

Oh, what I had understand was

the idea is that most blisters that are available in the boxed sets will be removed and available in some form in the Spartan Games Online Store only (full squadrons or individual models).

That means Spartan will pick models and place in either of these category :

A ) model available Online Store Only as Full Squadron box.

B ) model available Online Store Only as individual model.

The answer was not giving any hint that Spartan would place the old models in both category at the same time; just that some model are full squad only and some model are individual only.

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Oh well, looks like another games workshop style company is rising ready to punch its customers in the face for being loyal and buying their products... Goodbye to the good times, the good times were good.

 

This sort of product monopoly and refusal to allow FLGS discounts can only lead to a better service and value for money for customers, right? *sigh*

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Oh well, looks like another games workshop style company is rising ready to punch its customers in the face for being loyal and buying their products... Goodbye to the good times, the good times were good.

 

This sort of product monopoly and refusal to allow FLGS discounts can only lead to a better service and value for money for customers, right? *sigh*

 

 

Dystopian Wars currently has something like 400 different models available- (cookie if anyone knows exactly how many....)  Your average FLGS doesn't have the room for all of those. I know mine  had about 40-50 blisters in at any given time...  Boxes are simply much easier to stock.

 

I'm not aware of anything preventing other stores doing discounts on boxes.

 

Edit to remove typos

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Oh well, looks like another games workshop style company is rising ready to punch its customers in the face for being loyal and buying their products... Goodbye to the good times, the good times were good.

 

This sort of product monopoly and refusal to allow FLGS discounts can only lead to a better service and value for money for customers, right? *sigh*

 

Monopoly? You can have a monopoly on goods a consumer must have such as energy or food but I doubt the word can be used in context of resin toy steampunk ships. If the price or market availability and terms on resin toy steampunk ships goes to unacceptable levels for this most discretionary of spending (the only thing less discretionary about money for models is actually burning it outright), there are only 100+ other small hobby manufacturers eager to fill the void.

 

I can get a 20% discount at any number of outlets and Spartan hasn't done anything to impede those folks.

 

I get a bit irked at knee jerk linking any hobby company attempting to actually act like a business with some mythical predatory GW clone behavior. My FLGS wouldn't carry the nearly 400 SKU's for Dystopia, much less Legions, Armada and Uncharted but they will carry boxes. I can order from the Spartan store to add and fill out and since the money I spend on toys is the maddest of mad money, I can live with a little cost and inconvenience if the game I like (and the company making it) stays in business and keeps developing the brand.

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?My take is- if I haven't bought it yet (and it's a blister and not a box), it means i probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. It's like people complaining that say, Mcdonalds is removing McRib from the menu when they themselves never once bought it...yes, they're removing choice. Choice you never made use of anyway.

Sorry, don't agree at all with this. I did make use of the choice by buying blisters - how can you say it was not used? Forum pressure was for individual parts and ships to be made available (as well as in blisters), not for individual ships to be made available at twice the price, so your take on this couldn't be farther from mine.

If blisters are still going to be available from Spartan then, whilst not a great outcome, it is slightly better (cost wise) than having to buy a full squadron individually at twice the current price. However I suspect that we will only get the individual parts service option.

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I don't think it's fair to place all the blame on Spartan. Their explanation that retailers don't want to stock so many individual items is legitimate.

Retailers have a limited amount of shelf space, and will generally reserve it for the material that sells the quickest. They aren't interested in stocking individual blisters for niche units when they can use that space for something more people will want.

If retailers are pushing Spartan to give up blisters, there isn't a whole lot Spartan can do but acquiesce. If they don't, they'll see their sales to brick and mortar stores dwindle, which will kill both their income and the game's exposure.

I'm mot convinced what retailers are demanding on this is in the game or their store's long-term best interest, but it's an issue Spartan has very little say about. They have to produce the product stores will stock.

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I have no problem with spartan switching to single model sales they way they have with the chinese/italians but only if 2 conditions are met.

1) the blisters that are taken out of production should at the same time be made avalable as individuals in the webstore. If not and there is too much of a delay then they should have extended blister life.

2) the single models are avalable for FLGS with some sort of incentive for them to special order them in. They have always supported the FLGS to stop now would be poor taste.

having to order everything i feel like buying with a delivery charge would mean i cant just pick up a blister from my FLGS instead of a couple of MTG boosters would def cut my spending on the game, and mean i would not buy for mates birthdays as a 30-50 pound box is ro much £15ish for a battleship or couple of smalls blisters though.

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I understand that Spartan is between a rock and a hard place with this by either upsetting the stores or the customers but i think both can be made happy. I am not happy with the loss of blisters because of many of the previously stated concerns. I am very concerned with the lag time between release and then subsequent arrival on the parts store (looking at the italians as an example). Now this is all fairly new to Spartan so i am trying really hard not to be judgemental or bitter (two things i am very good at lol) about it. It effects me directly in a situation i posted on a while ago elsewhere, Aleas.

I want at least another 9 Alea escorts maybe even 12, and a couple more victorias/sub tenders for my aussies then i will be fairly satisfied with my collection. However these have never had blisters and will be on parts service eventually. Here is where my issue kicks in, i want to play a mine heavy alea escorting flying list with my CoA, because it just looks interesting to me not because i think it will win me a ton of games (honestly i dont think it would). Currently the only way i can purchase Aleas is in a boxset that i literally have no use for the rest (i only want one maybe two euclids max and not a fan of the capek, icarus is my fav medium so tough sell for me in the capek)of that not so cheap box set. So i wait, like i have been for 2 months already with no sign as to when Aleas may be available. My fear is that by the time they are available i will not have any interest in obtaining them any longer and will have moved on to other tactics/shenanigans i want to do. I do not necessarily miss out but Spartan surely will on me not buying a dozen escorts. That is my primary example of how the change will effect me directly, granted i will still love my boats/ships and will still love the DW game/universe regardless of how all this shakes down.

Personally i think to make both the gamers and the stores happy (back to my original point) i think Spartan could still offer blisters as special order to stores, those that want that discount from their FLGS(or favorite online retailer such as yours truly) can still get it but have to wait a little longer to get it. Stores do not have to stock a tremendous amount of skus and can still service the customer. On top of this Spartan could do the parts service so if you need say 2 pythias small flyers to add to the blister you bought before the boxset was out then you can to get a full squad instead of a large boxset or another blister giving you an extra unneeded model.

Hope this did not sound too ranty, thought i would throw in my 2 cents, back to my penguin cave i go.

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Do you guys think Spartan will save money by not having to do any of the blisters packaging at all, once they're all gone?

 

Also, I say again: some eBay stores that separate out ships from boxes will probably be a lot better off....

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