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Right, now we have unofficially seen the Russian fleet, I wonder if people have any ideas for their paint schemes? I do rather like the Imperial White, but I'm now torn between grey or dark green! Probably with some yellow in there...

Favourite link to remind people: http://www.brueckenk...ne.com/?p=60031 :P

(Anyone notice how the tiny tanks look like better versions of the erstwhile Tsar Tank?)

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I am still undecided on a paint scheme for the ships, and probably will not be inspired until I have them in my hands! Can't wait. :)

I had not noticed how the tiny tanks looked like the Tsar Tank, well spotted Mythickhan. They're perhaps smaller than the original (prototype), but then again maybe not?

http://TsarTank.jpg

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I'm on board for the white scheme; I built my Prussians as a Mediterranean fleet so the RC will be an Arctic fleet. We have a CoA player that uses a blue/white disruption camo so I'm thinking a blue base faded up to white on the topsides. On the larger ships it should result in looking like a glacier or an iceberg. Slightly altered on the airships, it will look (from the front) like an approaching cloud. And if I have the airbrush out I may as well paint some terrain to match...

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I think I'll be going with a black and white dazzle pattern for these guys (I've hesitated on the other fleets because sometimes the main hull colour starts getting to odd places and I didn't want to deal with that; but Russian hulls are separate from the upper deck stuff). For contrast (and to use another Imperial Russian colour in the scheme) I was thinking of using a dark red for the sloped roofing on the bridge section. Metal would be painted dark and singed looking. I would probably use a lighter wood colour to contrast the deck boards.

As for naming, I already love traditional Imperial Russian naming so I'm probably going for that. The main difference will be naming the ground stuff of course.

Land dreads and lanships will grab famous general names along with the other usual "big ship" names (battles, royals and saints to name a few). I'll probably move admirals from cruiser class ships and use them on my naval vessels as well (leaving cruisers with mythic figures and gemstones).

Medium ground vessels will probably be named for various land animals and possibly Cossack hosts.

For aerial stuff I think it will stick to the naval naming conventions for the most part just to keep things easy on me.

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I like the black and red paint scheme used by several people for the mercenary submarine so I'll probably use something similar for my Russian fleet.

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Kostroma-class Battle Carrier

RCS Ivanovo (Ива́ново), RCS Kostroma (Кострома́)

-class Dreadnought

RCS Potemkin (Потёмки)

Borodino-class Battleship

RCS Berezina (Березина́), RCS Borodino (Бородино́),

RCS Polotsk (По́лоцк), RCS Tarutino (Тарутинo)

Suvorov-class Cruiser

RCS Balashov (Балашов), RCS Kamensky (Каме́нский), RCS Korsakov (Корсаков),

RCS Nabokov (Набоков), RCS Suvorov (Суво́ров), RCS Zubov (Зубов)

Novgorod-class Frigate

RCS Arkhangelsk (Архангельск), RCS Astrakhan (Астраха́н), RCS Kirov (Ки́ров),

RCS Kurgan (Курга́н), RCS Novgorod (Но́вгород), RCS Pskov (Псков),

RCS Ryazan (Ряза́нь), RCS Tver (Тверь), RCS Vologda (Во́логда)

Rostov-class Destroyer

RCS Kemerovo (Ке́мерово), RCS Minsk (Минск), RCS Moscow (Москва́),

RCS Rostov (Росто́в), RCS Saratov (Сара́тов), RCS Smolensk (Смоле́нск)

-class Escort

-class Corvette

Tambov-class Gunship

RCS Azov (Азов), RCS Bessarabia (Бессарабия), RCS Livonia (Лифляндия),

RCS Kiev (Ки́ев), RCS Tambov (Тамбо́в), RCS Voronezh (Воро́неж)

Kursk-class Land Dreadnought

RCLS Kursk (Ку́рск)

Belgorod-class Land Ship

RCLS Belgorod (Бе́лгород)

Pennant Designations and Naming Conventions

Kostroma-class Battle Carriers: The Golden Ring of cities northeast of Moscow

-class Dreadnoughts:

Borodino-class Battleships: Major Russian battles

Suvorov-class Cruisers: Famous Russian commanders

Novgorod-class Frigates: Russian oblasts

Rostov-class Destroyers: Russian cities and towns

-class Escorts:

-class Corvettes:

Tambov-class Gunships: Russian governorates

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I noticed in the Hurricane Season book that there are official Orders of Battle (for all the landlubbers reading this: that is a list of specific ships organized by command structure) that give sample names and prefixes for five of the DW navies.

Edited to add link to the post with the sample names.

Edited by Pendrake

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New list inspired by Hurricane Season, let me know what you think! :P

Belyĭ Flot Boevaya Brigada 12"Morskoy Vladyki", White Navy 12th Battle Brigade "Sea Lords",

бб 12

Capital Craft

Morskoy Vladyka, Tsar of the Seas, Flag, Moskva Class Dreadnought, бб12-00

Ded Moroz, Grandfather Frost, Kostroma Class Support Carrier, бб12-01

Knyaz Vladimir Krasno-Solnyshko, Tsar Vladimir Krasno-Solnyshko, Borodino Class Battleship, бб12-02

Knyaz Alexander Nevsky, Tsar Alexander Nevsky, Borodino Class Battleship, бб12-02

Ships of the First Line

Flang Eskadra 'Iliya Muromets', Flank Squadron "Iliya Muromets", Suvorov Class Cruisers, бб12-1

Flang Eskadra 'Dobrynya Nikitych', Flank Squadron "Dobrynya Nikitych", Suvorov Class Cruisers, бб12-2

Liniya Fronta Eskadra 'Aluesha Popovich', Battle Line Squadron "Aluesha Popovich", Tambov Class Gunships, бб12-3

Ships of the Second Line

Minonosets Eskadra 'Avvakum', Destroyer Squadron ‘Avvakum, Rostov Class Destroyers, бб12-4

Fregat Eskadra 'Svyatoslav', Frigate Squadron 'Svyatoslav', Novgorod Class Frigates, бб12-A

Fregat Eskadra 'Svyatopolk', Frigate Squadron 'Svyatopolk', Novgorod Class Frigates, бб12-б

Fregat Eskadra 'Svyatobor', Frigate Squadron 'Svyatobor', Novgorod Class Frigates, бб12-B

Fregat Eskadra 'Svyatovit', Frigate Squadron 'Svyatovit', Novgorod Class Frigates, бб12-Д

Ships of the Supporting Line

Komanda Eskort 'Zorya', Escort Command 'Zorya', Escort Vessels, бб12-Э

Belaya Armiya 12th Udarnaya Armaya “Moroz Drakonov”, White Army 12th Shock Army “Frost of the Dragons”

УA12

Capital Craft

Zmey-Gorynych, Three Headed Dragon, Flag, Kursk Class Land Dreadnought, УA12-00

Dazbog, Mobile Airfield, УA12-01

Vityaz, Belgorod Class Landship, УA12-02

Bogatyr, Belgorod Class Landship, УA12-03

Units of the 1st Strike CorpsBoyarin

1st Armoured Battalion, 1st Corps, Kamchatka and Tikhvin Class Tanks

2nd Armoured Battalion, 1st Corps, Kamchatka and Tikhvin Class Tanks

1st Light Armoured Battalion, 1st Corps, Tikhvin Class Tanks

Units of the 2nd Strike Corps Strazhi Alaski

1st Armoured Battalion, 2nd Corps, Kamchatka and Tikhvin Class Tanks

2nd Armoured Battalion, 2nd Corps, Kamchatka and Tikhvin Class Tanks

1st Light Armoured Battalion, 2nd Corps, Tikhvin Class Tanks

Units of the 3rd Support CorpsStalnoy Dozhd

1st Bombardment Battalion, 3rd Corps, Volochok Class Bombards

2nd Bombardment Battalion, 3rd Corps, Volochok Class Bombards

1st Light Armoured Battalion, 3rd Corps, Tikhvin Class Tanks

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So, i've been looking at the super-industrial look of the russians, and couldn't help but think "what better way to represent their industrial background than painting them as one of the most endearing industrial images I have, a drilling rig?"

rig.jpg

while this pic is not of my rig, its painted the same way(i work for this company), and every time i come on location, i can't help but be overwhelmed by the scale and magnitude of the industrial beast that I care for. it's ~140' tall, its location takes up acres of space for the rig itself and all of the pumps/lightplants/ancillary equipment and it just looks great in gray/blue/orange/white.

so why not paint russians like that? maybe a thin waterline and planks of gray, main hull blue, railing/turrets/pipes orange, and smokestacks/turret barrels/other high points in white. i could dig it.

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One of the things that I love about the spartan games is that whilst Giovanni has given their house miniatures such a great look, Spartan doesn't have a set scheme for any of the minis, or even any guidelines - you could paint the entire ship to look like its been made of wood and it'd still work!

Go for it, I say! I look forward to seeing your "industrial" Russians. It'd probably go up as one of the more unique fleets out there, alongside the French Mardi Gras fleet, and the CoA Boiling ocean one!

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ship naming

"Belyĭ Flot Bitva Brigady 12"Morskoy Vladyki" is better be corrected to the "Belyĭ Flot, 12 Boevaya Brigada" (or insted of Brigada you can use Gruppa (group) because it is more fitting for naval group from my point of view, while brigada is for ground based army). Bitva is used for single battle (Battle of Borodino - Borodinskaya Bitva)

Well here are my comments about names. Ded Moroz as support carrier name is a nice choice from my point of view, with some humor in it (becasue of it's ice generator it is really fitting), but it's somewhat differ from the oter "big ships" naming concepts. Ships of the First Line are really good, nothing to say else about their names. Ships of the Second Line have common concept, and about including Avvakum you have already said earlier.

Overall it is really good list.

“Moroz Drakonov”is actually translated "Frost of the Dragons", for "Frost Dragons" it wil be "Moroznye Drakony" or "Ledyanye Drakony" for the "Ice Dragons".(anyway, "Moroz Drakonov" sound good, it's just have different meanenig as I mentioned above)

Belaya Armiya 12th Udarnoi Armii better be "Belaya Armiya, 12 Udarnaya Armiya", because "Udarnoi Armii" has to be connected with other word somehow ("part of the Shock Army" - chast' Udarnoi Armii, while "Shock Army" - Udarnaya Armiya)

"Alyaska Gvardii - guardians of Alaska? If so, it will be "Gvardeyzy Alaski" for the collective of men and "Gvardiya Alyaski" for regiment. Also you may consider "Strazhi Alaski" (but this is will be more like "Alaska Wardens").

Stahli Dozhd - can't get "stahli" part. Steel rain? If so, "Stalnoy Dozhd" .

This is it for my "inside" point of view,

with best wishes,

Grimenart

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Thanks again Grimenart! I will change those forthwith :P

I'll leave the White Navy name as "brigade" though, because that's the term that Spartan uses for them. I think it's to reflect that the White Navy is subordinate to the White Army, whereas in other nations one uses the word "Armada" even for a land formation (and in Hurricane Season, the British land commander is a commodore!!)

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So, i've been looking at the super-industrial look of the russians, and couldn't help but think "what better way to represent their industrial background than painting them as one of the most endearing industrial images I have, a drilling rig?"

rig.jpg

while this pic is not of my rig, its painted the same way(i work for this company), and every time i come on location, i can't help but be overwhelmed by the scale and magnitude of the industrial beast that I care for. it's ~140' tall, its location takes up acres of space for the rig itself and all of the pumps/lightplants/ancillary equipment and it just looks great in gray/blue/orange/white.

so why not paint russians like that? maybe a thin waterline and planks of gray, main hull blue, railing/turrets/pipes orange, and smokestacks/turret barrels/other high points in white. i could dig it.

Nice idea, but I think the orange railings, turrets, and pipes may be a bit bright? But hey it's up to you. Will be nice to see them when they are done. One plus side of the orange is it will reduce collisions in foggy conditions ;)

One of the things that I love about the spartan games is that whilst Giovanni has given their house miniatures such a great look, Spartan doesn't have a set scheme for any of the minis, or even any guidelines - you could paint the entire ship to look like its been made of wood and it'd still work!

Go for it, I say! I look forward to seeing your "industrial" Russians. It'd probably go up as one of the more unique fleets out there, alongside the French Mardi Gras fleet, and the CoA Boiling ocean one!

I agree, it is nice the way that Spartan do not push how the models should be painted and support the diversity out there.

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Just sharing some knowledge I just acquired:

According to this article - http://en.wikipedia....ssian_Air_Force - the first Russian roundels look just like the ones for the WWI American Expeditionary Force...which can be found at Dom's Decals.

The Russian Coalition flag (minus all the gold filigree) is mostly red/black/white like the first roundel only less white:

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sc_round.gifsu%5Eafr.gifke_round.gif

That first one is a roundel presently used by Egypt (and maybe Syria?).

The proportions of the rings in aircraft roundels seem to have have several standard variants. Replacing the green with yellow in that last one might be a thought for the Russian Coalition. Who was wishing for a roundel? Try downloading copies of these into MSpaint and use the fillbucket tool to try different color schemes on them.

All of those came from FOTW (they have numerous mirror sites).Try typing "roundel and fotw" into a google image search to see more roundels. Flags Of The World (fotw) seems to have developed a useful web standard of 216x216 pixels square for aircraft insignia.

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I figured out how to name the ships today.

I went with a "whatever crawls/swims in the sea or floats in the air" theme and punched "Russian Coalition Ship/Squadron/Flyer" into google translate for the abbreviations.

RKS Kosatka - Kostroma Carrier (Orca)

RKS Akula - Borodino Battleshio (Shark)

RKE Pobeda (Victory), Cruiser Squadron featuring the Shchuka, Som and Okun (Pike, Catfisch and Persch)

RKE Nautilus, Obolochka and Sprut (Novgorod Squadrons; Nautilus, Clam and Octopus, respectively)

and last but not least, the RKE Shmel, the Myushkins. (Bumblebee)

I imagine the russian ships all featuring some slow hum from an antigravity engine, so the "Hummel" (bumblebee in german) stuck.

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