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As an FSA player I can see whay you found tyhis expansion challenging,  I lke the NewOrleans  class repair ship, thats a great concept while the other flyers definately add a missing massed air dimension. The Low Level Flyer is a great new MAR. Once again well done

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I'm confused about :

 

This MAR is dynamite, although at first glance it might seem pretty innocuous. It allows flyers to move into RB1 and attack.....without being counter attacked [....as when flying on the surface height, they are counted as Surface Skimmers not Flyers!], they can hide behind cover more effectively, they can hide behind VESSELS too! Of course with any rule like this there needs to be a downside, so they also gain Vulnerable and can now be targeted by enemy RB1 weapons and Torps too.....but this makes for a balanced and very tactically minded MAR.....use them late in the turn, then use them early in the next..... ;)

 

So you can't counter AA if they are flying low... but they can now be targeted in RB1? So they can't be countered but they can be targeted?

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I'm confused about :

 

This MAR is dynamite, although at first glance it might seem pretty innocuous. It allows flyers to move into RB1 and attack.....without being counter attacked [....as when flying on the surface height, they are counted as Surface Skimmers not Flyers!], they can hide behind cover more effectively, they can hide behind VESSELS too! Of course with any rule like this there needs to be a downside, so they also gain Vulnerable and can now be targeted by enemy RB1 weapons and Torps too.....but this makes for a balanced and very tactically minded MAR.....use them late in the turn, then use them early in the next..... ;)

 

So you can't counter AA if they are flying low... but they can now be targeted in RB1? So they can't be countered but they can be targeted?

Right... so activating them late on turn 1 they move into Rb1 on the surface level, make an attack (that cannot be counter-attacked since they are not a flyer). Early on turn 2, they activate and return to flying level, which means the rb1 enemies cannot target them on either turn.... I think that was the suggestion Delboy is making there.

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Christmas comes early (by a day)! First the announcement about the Sky Pirates, now these American sky pirates...

 

Looks like a set with superb synergy, and Freedoms now being able to fulfill an escort role too is a great tweak.

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Right... so activating them late on turn 1 they move into Rb1 on the surface level, make an attack (that cannot be counter-attacked since they are not a flyer). Early on turn 2, they activate and return to flying level, which means the rb1 enemies cannot target them on either turn.... I think that was the suggestion Delboy is making there.

Are they restricted to Flying or can they go to Obscured? I kind of hope not. That's the sort of thing that should tear a blimp to tinfoil. :)

Another thing that comes to mind is how wide spread will this MAR become? I can think of several small and medium flyers that would sell their souls for access to it.

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Are they restricted to Flying or can they go to Obscured? I kind of hope not. That's the sort of thing that should tear a blimp to tinfoil. :)

 

When the squadron activates, a player must declare whether the squadron will move on the Flying, Obscured OR Surface Height Level. The squadron must remain on the declared Height Level until their next activation, unless a different MAR applies.

Agreed about other models that could use this. Who knows, in the ever-evolving arms race that is Dystopian Wars, I'm sure other nations will catch on at some point.

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I am so looking forward to the EotBS support box!  Heck they just might fix our CA & Dn. :o

 

Bring on the happiness Delboy. Commodore Youko Sasaki for the win!

 

One last thing, I am starting to get small flyer envy. Hope there is a new one for us down the pipeline? :ph34r:

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I am so looking forward to the EotBS support box!  Heck they just might fix our CA & Dn. :o

 

Bring on the happiness Delboy. Commodore Youko Sasaki for the win!

 

One last thing, I am starting to get small flyer envy. Hope there is a new one for us down the pipeline? :ph34r:

Delboy already reported in a EotBS thread that the Hachiman got "fixed".

 

FYI..."CA" stands for heavy cruiser. And the Nakatsu is no heavy cruiser. Maybe a CL.

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thanks for the write up for the FSA! Awesome reading. Think the mechanic with a support airship is really cool. The concept of a light medium is interesting as well, and seems like a nice addition/alternative to the a-17.

 

Can you comment a bit on the AD of the small flyer though? I know we haven't gotten the full stats, but I really don't understand how the PE small flyer costs 5 pts less and have that crucial AD 4 bombs instead while also having the speerschleuder effect, and the FSA just having water hunter... Water hunting small was tried in the Jager and we know how that went. I know the fsa get low flyer as well, but since you cannot use bombs while flying low.... Is it due to inter-faction balance, or...? Cause seems like a big difference when the CoA at 25 pts gets 4 AD, the RoF at 20 pts gets 3 AD, the PE at 20 pts gets 4 AD and the FSA at 25 pts gets 3 AD... Was just wondering if you would share any fun or interesting experience from the testing since it seems deliberate yet a large difference...

 

Love the fix for the freedoms, with elusive it really seems like that fast agile robot (still don't like the model, but the that is surely for each man to decide for themselves...) The rules makes them a perfect small hunter though and I like the fact that they were made better and worth the 35 points instead of a pts reduction :) the flying escort thing is super cool as well, can't see myself using it that much considering the AA and CC of the freedom, but love the image of a flying robot waving to the cockpit of a enormous blimp that it escorts :D awesome mental picture!

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@cbgad:

Don't forget that the FSA Small Flyer also gets the DR bump, and how much AD do you have to throw at something that is a small target and can go from Obscured (hit on 6's only) down to Skimming (to hide behind terrain)... They are going to be a nightmare to draw a bead on and kill before they get close enough to drop that payload... 

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I have a good experience of using Frelon small flyer and can say that DR push does not give it much better protection than DR3, as most of the time it spends on Obscured level and thus is hit by ordnance on 6 only. And for two 6 there is no difference whether small flyer has DR3 or DR4.

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True, that did not occure to me... ;)

Still having DR4 and being able to hide from most big hitters by using the terrain is quite advantageous, as most things with high speed that can get around said terrain to get a LoS don't usually carry large quantities of AD...

At least, that's my thinking on the subject... I may be completely wrong...  ^_^

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i agree with Maxlotter and I play RoF as well and know that that DR 4 dosen't really matter, it's the CR thats important... and the frelon is 20 pts... now a 5 pts increase for waterhunter and low flying... please don't tell that's 5 pts right there when low flying prohibits bombs and would make it quite hard to fly over anything anyway...

 

I was just curious when the PE strike bombers seems awesome and very synergetic with the fleet and the FSA strike bomber in it's current state is an expensive frelon...

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I'm very curious about TFT Fighters versus something 'flying' at the Surface level... Good one Maxlotter!

And as I said, I haven't played with these little beasties and don't know all the pretty stats on them, but I'd say Low Level Flying is pretty amazing... Being able to lurk behind terrain and your own models is something pretty damned useful for a flyer... Screen them till they are within in pouncing range and then leap out and go for it! :P

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Question to Delboy:

 

Is it possible for Tiny fighters to attack the plane with Low Level Flyer MAR while it is on surface height level?

They do count as surface skimmers- ie. not flying units at all when flying Low, so no AA vs them, but on the other side, torpedo bombers can hit them now...

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Low Level Flyer

A model with the Low Level Flyer MAR is able to fly so low that it is considered to occupy the Surface Height Level rather than the Flying or Obscured Height Levels. Whilst choosing to fly at this Height Level the model loses its Flying Model function and is instead considered to be a Surface Model with the Surface Skimmer MAR.

 

When these models occupy the Surface Height Level they may not use Bomb Ordnance.

 

Any model occupying the Surface Height Level has the Vulnerable MAR.

 

When the squadron activates, a player must declare whether the squadron will move on the Flying, Obscured OR Surface Height Level. The squadron must remain on the declared Height Level until their next activation, unless a different MAR applies.

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If these models are flying low, the MAR says they are surface models, NOT flyers. No AA against them until they go back up.

 

On points cost for certain models, I think of it like this.....

 

If you're facing the French,  you expect to see a load of rather good mediums. If it's not Voltaires, it's the AA cruisers.

 

If you're facing the Prussians, it's scary smalls. Arminus could easily be 30 points each, and they'd still be good value.

 

The Covernant have an awesome selection of large units, all enhanced by the cheapest large in the game- the accursed Orb of annoying tricks.

 

All of these forces have a substituion effect. Becuase you are using fleet orders and composition limits*  you end up being unable to take as many of these effective units as you'd like to do, as you leave yourself very vunerable to fleet orders targetting the other elements, or fleets that excel against particular builds.**

 

* If not, why not? If you stand on one leg and close your eyes, it's much harder to balance. The same is true in this game.

 

** E.G......The Australians tend to demolish top heavy fleets, but against those with a decent number of smalls they're much more average. Some air heavy fleets do very well, unless they run into the French.

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I'm starting to get jitters for the RoF and the RC boxes.  I know we are going to have to wait a while for the preview unit outline, but surely we get to see the models soon... please.. anyone...

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Seems nice to me, though the impressive gunnery doesn't quite fit the idea of a repair vessel to me (then again, it's FSA, they probably consider it undergunned).

 

Now, why is an American plane called "Avion"? I mean, beyond the whole language of the enemy thing, what kind of self-respecting mad scientist nicknames his prototype plane "Plane"?

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