Model availability

[Overread]

Spartan Games even had great bases for Halo. Personally I think its a big step forward for space games; use the base to track stats and other things. So long as its practical its a great idea, esp for larger ships which come with a larger base and thus can hold more info and thus let larger ships be more complex. It always feels odd when big ships take damage like a small ship and you can't knock out segments of it etc...  Even if its as simple as fore, port, starboard and engines (rear)

[Warcradle Richard]

10 hours ago, Charistoph said:

Could they even be looking at changing the bases for v3.0?  Dropfleet's bases received a lot of accolades, and X-Wing's have proven to also be quite popular.

Bases will definitely be replaced for FSA V3.   We looked at getting them designed in advance and releasing them with Classics items, but they were too likely to be changed and refined before FSA 3 is out. So we are getting some old style bases/stands created now for the FSA Classics releases.

[Commodore Jones]

On 9/23/2018 at 2:18 AM, Warcradle Richard said:

Bases will definitely be replaced for FSA V3.   We looked at getting them designed in advance and releasing them with Classics items, but they were too likely to be changed and refined before FSA 3 is out. So we are getting some old style bases/stands created now for the FSA Classics releases.

There had better at least be a  bulk discount of some sort at the very least, if not a freebees (maybe to a certain limit).  I certainly don't want to spend the money to have to re-base  the 400+ Firestorm models in my collection.

[Warcradle Richard]

12 hours ago, Commodore Jones said:

There had better at least be a  bulk discount of some sort at the very least, if not a freebees (maybe to a certain limit).  I certainly don't want to spend the money to have to re-base  the 400+ Firestorm models in my collection.

Hi Commodore Jones, We wont be forcing you to use the new bases, you will still be able to play with any bases you already have. We just want to make a base for flyers that is easier to mass produce for us.

[RuleBritannia]

So do the bases have any new utility in terms of 3D play etc?  

[sturgeondtd]

Honestly, coming from WH40k, where they grandfathered in models on (now) too small of base, almost everyone has slowly transitioned over to the new sizes. I think having this soft conversion option is much better than a hard one, and it shows that Warcradle is receptive to this. I for one look forward to seeing what the new bases will look like. It would be really cool if different types of ships had different vertically sized bases. Such as tier 1 ships being a set 1.5", tier 2 ships 1" or 2" and then tier 3 ships being 0.5", 1.5" or 2.5" to make fleets seem more dynamic and protective of main as assets.

[Bad Idea Comics]

I love Star Wars: Armada bases, both for ships (dials for shields on all four sides, plus firing arcs and ship info printed on the card insert) and fighters (dial for remaining fighters and activation "switch", plus info printed on the card insert).  One of the most clever parts is that all of the bases can simply have the card insert swapped out so you can slap any ship on any base of the correct size and you're ready to rock'n'roll.  That's something to keep in mind for the base design team - swapability means players with existing fleets have less expenditure so you receive less internet vitriol.

 

Personally, I just want ships.  Gimme ships.  Lotsa ships.  I wanna paint 'em up and make "pew pew" noises. 

[Commodore Jones]

12 hours ago, Warcradle Richard said:

Hi Commodore Jones, We wont be forcing you to use the new bases, you will still be able to play with any bases you already have.

But somewhere there's going to be some tournament organizers who are going to demand all new bases or you can't enter/play.

[SageofLodoss]

2 hours ago, Commodore Jones said:

But somewhere there's going to be some tournament organizers who are going to demand all new bases or you can't enter/play.

An official Organized Play document, a la Steamroller for Warmachine/Hordes, can work wonders for this kind of thing in terms of establishing what a tournament organizer can get nitpicky about and what they cannot.  If the Peg is still the primary representation of the model and its measurements, then bases with slight variations in size or shape from the originals is no problem.  Things do get trickier however if the pegs are of different measurement.  Casual play can probably hand wave the mere millimeters of difference, hypothetically, but at a tournament level there would indeed be a cry for standardization.

[jonadaya]

Really hope we get the corsairs back, missed out on their very limited release and it has haunted me ever since :/

[Charistoph]

3 hours ago, SageofLodoss said:

An official Organized Play document, a la Steamroller for Warmachine/Hordes, can work wonders for this kind of thing in terms of establishing what a tournament organizer can get nitpicky about and what they cannot.  If the Peg is still the primary representation of the model and its measurements, then bases with slight variations in size or shape from the originals is no problem.  Things do get trickier however if the pegs are of different measurement.  Casual play can probably hand wave the mere millimeters of difference, hypothetically, but at a tournament level there would indeed be a cry for standardization.

That won't work unless a concerted effort by the players is made to completely ignore tournaments who change  organized play rules.

[Havock]

Measuring peg to peg is a hassle anyway. Measure base to base is, imho, superior.

[Brimstone]

This past April it was reported that that some model casts would come out this year. As it is now mid November, with no update on this, is this even a realistic expectation? Or will be next year sometime? It would be helpful if a periodic update was given on FA progress and model availability to keep interest alive.

[Spenetrator]

It seems like the classics releases are being used to hype the beta etc for Dystopian.

I would expect the same for firestorm. Maybe when Dystopian is done and FSA is close to a Beta they'll put some old ships out.

The complete lack of a timescale other than 'soon' (TM)  has made me spend the money I was hoarding for FSA on Necromunda the latest releases for which are - somewhat ironically - also due out 'soon'.

[Spenetrator]

[Eats Hat] - There are some Firestorm Warcradle classics available on wayland games' website!

Have at them!!

That didn't sound excited enough ---- Woooooooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooo!

[Bad Idea Comics]

Thanks for the news! I'll be checking back periodically for Sorylians! 

[Skyhawk]

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! FINIALLY SOMETHING TO GET ME EXCITED ABOUT FIRESTORM AGAIN!!!!!!

[Commodore Jones]

Sweet!  I can get SRS tokens for all my older fleets, and I know Endrasalem will got nuts knowing Harpoons and Wayfarers will be available again soon! He's been wanting some prime escorts for his Tyrant for a while now.

[Bessemer]

Hope he was quick, they're already gone!

[murphy'slawofcombat]

thats why I don't get excited about  stuff being  releasted  after being out of print for a while. I would rather wait  till  there is enough to go around.  hopefully they will be able to get more out there soon

[Overread]

@murphy'slawofcombat I don't think WC has given us a long term view on their classics range. I would guess that once they are producing their own models the classics range might dry up. Mostly they are just testing the moulds and seeing what does and doesn't work and what comes out of them (they basically got a huge pile of moulds and no paperwork that linked up what was what). That said they might end up doing limited runs of some in the future again - its hard to say. 

The real limit is going to be when those old moulds wear out as whilst resin moulds are cheaper than plastic they are still not dirt cheap - so it might be that once those original moulds break they are gone for good. 

[Bad Idea Comics]

I know Spartan has super high res 3D print files for all of their ships, so creating new molds is perfectly feasible. All of their more recent models were created digitally - I'm sure the files were part of the deal Warcradle made.

[murphy'slawofcombat]

true but one can only hope that the run will last a while .... I have a lot of Terran's with a few repeats I would like to get my hands on some of the older mods from Denreenzi, Directorate , Aquans , Renthosans, and the Snake heads .I think the only way to play the game is to play all factions . even if I have no one to play agents the play style of the faction id different.  so when I do find a game with  another  player I'm not stuck in  a one dementional mind set . 

[Overread]

@Bad Idea Comics Aye the question will really be if WC wants to invest in new moulds. Also I seem to recall that it was mentioned that the digital files they got were sort of dumped on them too. So again its actually quite a bit of work for them to work out what goes with what - esp as digital files might have new and old versions and alternate versions all of the same core model. 

 

WC made the choice when they bought the line that they were going to update model sculpts to their own designs. A bold move which has slowed the return of the range, but possibly a good one for them as it lets them put their own stamp on the range. Plus it gets around the issue whereby some games had armies which were very new and some that were older in design (though honestly that only really harmed Uncharted Seas). I think we might see some popular recasts under classics but otherwise I fully expect that once WC rolles out their Dystopian wars we'll see the Classics dry up. To be honest I prefer that - I'd rather see the game push forward rather than get stuck in muddy waters trying to be both halves. 

 

 

The only game that might faulter is their re-design of the land battles for Dystopian Wars due to the scale change - we'll have to wait and see how that comes. 

[RuleBritannia]

I'd rather evolution rather than revolution.  Developing a new range that works with existing models, the failure to do which is partly what put me off buying more FSA after the range shifted.  Easier for existing fans to get on board if the models work with the models they have.  The severe disconnect in certain DWars models revealed so far isn't great for that, but that is still in flux.  The more popular models in the new range in my friendship group are those that pay respects to the Spartan models.