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9 hours ago, Paladin21 said:

Are there going to be stats/rules before the Kickstarter finishes, because I've been messed with too many times by Spartan on pre-orders to give you money without knowing what I'm getting.  Also, no pledge level for the core expansion boxes?  What's up with that?

This is the basic thrust of my local group - rules or GTFO

I won't get much traction locally without that in hand 

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On a serious note now: I won't back this. I'd love to, but the DW one, where I invested 100+ £, is still way too far from being completed. When I'll see the scenery, the models from the Admiral of the Fleet backers, the t-shirt, the League of Crimson models and the expansion boxes, then I'll consider backing this.  

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Appreciate the work about the models, but I'm just interested in the manual. I have my fleet, I do not need another. I already did the mistake of having three fleets in DW. And as Venter (and lot of other good people) I'm still waiting for the ks. Still waiting for my bloody Ice Maiden and all other prussian stuff. So, if I commit, I just commit for the manual.

 

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Is Kickstarter SG's new business plan? 

Will it be a third KS in six months for PF?

Kickstarter is a tool to fund original projects, not some kind of way to do pre-sales and get customers's money one year before delivering the product, especially for a long-date established company like Spartan Games.

I would also not hope many pledges from the people that are still waiting for their DW KS stuff promised 6 months ago... Bad timing.

I, for example, won't even consider dropping a single penny in it until I get every single mini I paid for almost a year ago.

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7 hours ago, child9 said:

Is Kickstarter SG's new business plan? 

Will it be a third KS in six months for PF?

Kickstarter is a tool to fund original projects, not some kind of way to do pre-sales and get customers's money one year before delivering the product, especially for a long-date established company like Spartan Games.

I would also not hope many pledges from the people that are still waiting for their DW KS stuff promised 6 months ago... Bad timing.

I, for example, won't even consider dropping a single penny in it until I get every single mini I paid for almost a year ago.

Tell that to many other established game companies out there. 

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Just now, northerndragons said:

Tell that to many other established game companies out there. 

I couldn't care less about the other established game companies out there. We talk about SG here. And even if I did, it would be the same for them. Kickstarter has been totally hijacked from the goal it had and should have kept. But that's another debate...

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Repair Battleships and Medical Ships for Aquans? Seems uninspired. I'd rather take something that's sure to take out an enemy ship rather than something that might save one of mine. I can't wait for my opponent to field one so I can focus down his other ships before they have a chance to do their job and leave them neutered with nothing but repair and Medical Ships for an easy win for me.

Torpedo cruisers, now that I like. Where are the gunships, light cruisers, etc? 

I wish this Kickstarter had something to get excited about but I'm still waiting. I'm holding out hope but it seems bleek. I really want this Kickstarter to do well along with Spartan. I hope they can pull it out.

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Most of the medical ships seem to come with a  decent amount of long range weapons. The Aquian might be different to the others in being suited more to close range assault focus; but in general they seem to an ideal sit-back and shoot type ship (broadly speaking). 

It will be interesting to see how they far stats wise; provided they can put out a good punch whilst also restoring health on the same turn (or with minimal affect to either) then they could be a neat addition and game changer. Chances are they are going to work in niche fleets built to take advantage of what they offer. Plus their points value will be an important point; if they are purely more support focused they might be rather cheap. 

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So, the Kickstarter......

Saurians are in red Plastic, not real resin I guess. I hope the quality is still good. Saurians look fine, no complaints. The station is cool, but exclusive.

Pathogen redesign huh. Finally some Tyranid re-sculpts. First look, I don't like them, probably be fine though. If the little bits don't snap off all the time. 

It is obviously going to get funded, and I hope it goes well for all the Backers and for Spartan Games. And eventually when the core expansions come out, if my FLGS still stocks Spartan Games I will look at getting a few new miniatures.

 

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Not interested in Pathogen and i think Saurian look too toylike  i dunno how else to explain feeling short of saying that they look stupid.. Im very disappointed we have not had any art for the expansion at least. Really been looking forward to this kickstarter and the expansion fleets sound cool based on whats in the blog but since Saurians and Pathogen ships look very meh id really like to see at least concept art for those CORE RACE fleets if not actual 3d renders before im going to participate in the kickstarter. Also what really bothers me is that why is there a need for Saurian s or Ilosians in the first place at this stage in the game ? Pathogen was waiting for ships for a long time so thats cool . But really there lots of secondary races in firestorm who  barely got any ships there is lots and lots of scope to expand the universe by expanding those fleets. Like more RSN Tarakian etc just like we seen with OSO. ID have thought that kickstarter would have been perfect opportunity to finance those rather than to try to add new races when existing ones havent been supported properly. Yes im looking at you the Sorylian Relthoza 2 player box that never materialised and all the other secondary races that already exist yet get no support. And you are pushing new races while 2 core races are still short on choices and will still be behind even after the expansion fleets.

P.S I hate the idea of more Races before existing ones are fully fleshed out. There are already TOO MANY RACES because it means people who are playing any one races will have to wait so much longer for new models and we already had over a year wait with focus on Halo. Nm if they are playing one of the non core races must feel completely abandoned. Spartan please dont bite off more than you can chew . It feels like this kickstarter has completely wrong focus.

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Just now, Overread said:

Hmm I thought they were resin just with a colouration to the mixture rather than plastic? 

 

Zerkis there's 3D renders for two ships (one Pathogen one Saurian  ) linked on the KS/Spartan blog :)

Who is Zerkis?Dont you think those are pretty irrelevant seeing as how we had art for them to begin with . MYself and majority of people here im sure want to see what the core races fleet look like.

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Ahh sorry I missread when I skim read and thought you meant 3D renders in general. 

 

I agree that there are likely a lot of people waiting to see renders from the expansions to the core races; heck I suspect once we get some visual renders it will kick a wave of backers off who are currently building other fleets and not interested in the two new factions. 

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Hi Overread,

They are resin, yes. New process with colour added at the point we mix it to saturate it all the way through.

Core nation images will come out through the campaign.

All the best,

Neil

 

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@Spartan Neil Thank Goodness that SG won't be using Preorder for Planetfall. Or at least that's the plan for now. Oops sorry "Kickstarter" not Preorder, Freudian slip

my FLGS does not stock Products sold through Kickstarter. The customer base is mostly lost. 

I will get some of the new core stuff if/when it comes to regular shops. Maybe Saurians. Only if the Saurian Base is made available outside of KS

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1 hour ago, Spartan Neil said:

Hi Overread,

They are resin, yes. New process with colour added at the point we mix it to saturate it all the way through.

Core nation images will come out through the campaign.

All the best,

Neil

 

What is the advantage of colored resin?

will this be for all the new models?

faction specific color?

 

btw, I hope the Saurians remain biologically link to the sorylians as I hope to play sorylians in armada but Saurians in planetfall; didn't care for the sorylians planetfall models 

 

and i I look forward to the illosians as well; will they be natural allies to the Saurians?

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I'm not keen on these repair and medical specialist ships.  What's wrong with Support Shuttles on carriers?  What's worse whole new ships cost MFV points, points that will probably make you unable to afford to buy the Command Points needed to actually use whatever special abilities those ships have.  Or if you do spend the Fleet Value on them you're shorting yourself on more combat capable ships and just get yourself pwned.

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Just now, Commodore Jones said:

I'm not keen on these repair and medical specialist ships.  What's wrong with Support Shuttles on carriers?  What's worse whole new ships cost MFV points, points that will probably make you unable to afford to buy the Command Points needed to actually use whatever special abilities those ships have.  Or if you do spend the Fleet Value on them you're shorting yourself on more combat capable ships and just get yourself pwned.

More importantly does this mean that Normal Carriers of any kind or Escort Carriers wont be able to deploy support ships? I hope not otherwise It just seems like you guys are running out of ideas for new type of ships . There are already multiple classes of carriers that could quite easily support those kind of srs like escort carriers and the like. Why does there need to be distinction between repair and medical ships for starters as opposed to "support carrier"

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