FSAHoops Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 When would you all see it as acceptable to get the big boats out? 1250 plus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 It depends on both yourself, and what your gaming group is like. Do any of your opponents prefer to prize, or sink key models? Do they have access to a high-AD squadron? Do they also prefer to run Dreads in "small" sized games? (Note: my definition of a "small" sized game is one where prizing a Dread automatically fulfills the 70% mfv "default" objective.) Each of these factors should be considered, before you decide to take a Dread, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illidar Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I took the enterprise in a 1250 game and it did well CptEvilstopper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thamoz Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 1250 seems to me to be the level where taking a dread is not an unacceptable risk. Below that then taking a dread is pretty much asking for defeat, it shapes the game around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradomutante Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 If you are prussian is ok, its large model no massive, you can cover it with your meds and other larges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSAHoops Posted August 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Wow! Cheers peeps! I have both FSA and KoB dreadnought models, never thought there would be so many considerations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illidar Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Under 1250 I would take 2 heavy battleships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethicalengineer Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I have Restitution in 1250 naval games (2.0 version) and this dreadnought robot is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsiegel1983 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I only use a dreadnought when playing more than 1,500 points. Too many points for one ship at that point value. At 1,500 I usually run a heavy battleship, a fleet carrier, and sometimes a battleship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Eric Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 6 hours ago, Illidar said: Under 1250 I would take 2 heavy battleships wouldn't that cost more than 1 dread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maccabeus Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 For my Prussians, I don't like to include them at anything under 1500 - 2000 points but that's purely for background/fluff reasons. This may change for my Russians though as I see them as having a much more heavy bias in their structure. Dreadnoughts are meant to be Kingships, around which a battlegroup or fleet is assembled. It's a symbol of the nations power and dominance over the seas and would not be deployed frivolously or used for patrols. The monetary expense, to the nation, of building a dreadnought is vast and the psychological impact of losing one, even more so. They are meant to be few and far between (this is reinforced in the Flashpoint Campaign system). I see the fleet deployed with a dreadnought as its' escorting battlegroup - in modern terms, this is the "American-esque" carrier battlegroups that are deployed around the world. These ships don't go anywhere without an escort capable of keeping the "centrepiece" alive. From a gaming standpoint, I only play casual games rather than tournaments, if you're bringing a dreadnought in a smaller game (sub 1250 points), I see it as common courtesy to pre-warn your opponent so they can account for the disparity (same goes for carrier-heavy lists). CDR_G, Nicholas, Nazduruk_Bugzappa and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR_G Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Scenarios may change the normal dynamic. I have some scenarios that feature a Dread on one side. One where they are the Killer brought in for a specific purpose and the more common where they are fleeing, heavily damaged and with limited escorts. Its all about adjusting victory conditions- For a standard same points each with head on meeting engagement I go out of my way to not take them. Maccabeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungDave Posted August 5, 2017 Report Share Posted August 5, 2017 Aye Mike (CDR_G) I well-remember that game a few years ago where I got my brand new Chinese fleet onto the table-top to face your equally new Italians - and for you to state "We're not going to use dreadnoughts today." - because your Italians didn't have one!!! Yes, happy memories. And remind me - how many raging fire tokens did your carrier have on it before it slid beneath the waves?!? Good to see you're getting the games in "over the pond". Dave FSAHoops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR_G Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 4:45 AM, YoungDave said: Aye Mike (CDR_G) I well-remember that game a few years ago where I got my brand new Chinese fleet onto the table-top to face your equally new Italians - and for you to state "We're not going to use dreadnoughts today." - because your Italians didn't have one!!! Yes, happy memories. And remind me - how many raging fire tokens did your carrier have on it before it slid beneath the waves?!? Good to see you're getting the games in "over the pond". Dave Its been a good summer. I just wish the rest of my KS models were here. Actually found some actual local players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nobody Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I wonder at what pt. level you can use Dreadbots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Eric Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Lord Nobody said: I wonder at what pt. level you can use Dreadbots? Whatever you agree upon/whatever rules are present from your tournament or campaign. It's really up to you, no hard rule exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Lord Nobody said: I wonder at what pt. level you can use Dreadbots? It depends on a number of things, but the main one is whether or not they have the "opponent's agreement" rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Eric Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Also when you use Bunker Complexes and Defensive Towers vs EotBS. It tends to be difficult for them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeAsir Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Dreds are way more vulnerable than you think. At 1k points you lose 70% if they are prized. We play 1500pts and I often take a dread but maximise cheaper units to make back the activations. I wouldn't use a dreadbot below 2k and only if I have discussed worthy opponent first. FSAHoops and BuckDharma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Eric Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Dreads are a classic case of not many eggs in a basket, but one BIG EGG in a basket. Harder to crack, but when humpty dumpty falls.... FSAHoops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSAHoops Posted August 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'm thinking a dread would be ok (if a little crazy!) at 1250, more sensible at 1500 plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen. Eric Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I have no problem with it at 1250, but 750, not so much... FSAHoops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
