Grand-Stone Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 What is the most extreme DW in terms of rules? I'm not talking about the most powerful, or the most powerful per point. I'm looking for units which have the biggest bonuses and biggest penalties. I'll give you two examples and why. 1. Ghost ship. Benefit: As long as you stay away from disruption generators, this ship is easily the best defended mediums out there. It's a medium with almost battleship defense stats, and in addition has the wonderful ghost-ship generator. Which *halves* all firepower against it. Penalty: for a medium it is very expensive, and for it's price the firepower is low. 2. Ice Maiden Benefit: Unargueably the best defensive ship I've ever seen. dr 10, cr 16, rugged construcion (1) AND 10 redoubtable AA... If you take price into consideration, there might be other ships which is on par with the Ice Maiden in this respect. But still... Penalty: the least manoeuvrable ship ever. In 3 turns you can use the *LARGE* turning template 3 times. Others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 And my compliments to spartan who dares to make some crazy models like these. These are very difficult unit's to balance, so it's so easy to streamline everything and just forgo crazy models. Not so in sparta! CptEvilstopper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Crocodile submarine. Benefits: hard to target (tiny, submerged). Can board while submerged (most models have low CC values). (Before the rules change, a squad of 8 had a 75% chance of hijacking a target, and bringing its guns onto its former friends). Penalties: have to purchase other models to supply them. Only DR3 with 1HP Grand-Stone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Which nation? Sounds very similar to the FSA turtle, which is similar but without aquatic assault. I hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted July 14, 2017 Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 Just now, Grand-Stone said: Which nation? Sounds very similar to the FSA turtle, which is similar but without aquatic assault. I hate them. Australian. When within range of a Cerberus (or Bounty) they also gain Terror Tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2017 The Russian's also have a very fun tiny model now, but the only way to use them is to get the MASSIVE ship. However IR 4 on a tiny ship, 1AP and terror tactics (1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Nobody have a condidate for 'high firepower, low protection?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 48 minutes ago, Grand-Stone said: Nobody have a condidate for 'high firepower, low protection?' Mk2 Skaggerak Gunship. Hubcap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nobody Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 Ryuo Class Robot Hover Squid. Might even pee yourself if you saw one for real! Bazlord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varnos Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 17/07/2017 at 11:39 PM, Merlin said: Mk2 Skaggerak Gunship. +1 for this one, the Skaggerak has an absolutely mental dice payload with zero protection. Or, on the "fun" defensive side of things, the Tartaros, since it is a diving fortification... Try assailing something that is (under the 2.5 rules) deep diving (5+ to hit, with the fortification to hit bonus), 6/11 dr/cr, with a guardian generator 3/2, and immune to torpedoes, the main sub killer weapon. Grand-Stone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Hochmeister Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think that the Hochmeister is pretty extreme. Farcages 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Which nation is the Tartaros? Sounds fun. (Skagerak is a danish ship by they way) And yes, seeing it's stats, I totaly agree. A squadron of 3 of these, with 2 main guns EACH,... But no protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Grand-Stone said: Which nation is Tartaros? Eclipse Company. Their fortifications can dive. Grand-Stone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Nazduruk_Bugzappa said: Eclipse Company. Their fortifications can dive. I don't get it... They cannot move, but can they change hight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Yup they can change height levels, like a submarine. Grand-Stone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSAHoops Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Just remember that the Eclipse Company were a 2.0 list. Things MAY change for those fortifications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeping_squirrel Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Can commodore be in fortification in 2.5 rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I don't see the big point though... Thematically really fun, but in an actual game, it cannot do anything while submerged. Only reason is to deny the enemy the kill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonmoa Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 31 minutes ago, Grand-Stone said: I don't see the big point though... Thematically really fun, but in an actual game, it cannot do anything while submerged. Only reason is to deny the enemy the kill... I almost agree with you. Despite it can attack submarines in range 1 with the cc (I suppose it has), it's not very useful. The only point is that you can submerge the fortress if it's very damaged and you want to protect it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazlord Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 On 18/07/2017 at 9:47 AM, Lord Nobody said: Ryuo Class Robot Hover Squid. Might even pee yourself if you saw one for real! +1 for the Ryuo!! Awesome model. I got two, and don't even play EotBS :-/ Lord Nobody 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Hochmeister Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Wait, are we allowed to mention Invaders here? Because some Invader ships are pretty insane. Grand-Stone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand-Stone Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, Der Hochmeister said: Wait, are we allowed to mention Invaders here? Because some Invader ships are pretty insane. Ofcourse. Go ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Hochmeister Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Then let's discuss the Harvester. You know, the tough-as-nails ship which abducts AP from the enemy's ships and that counts toward their victory points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
