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The move to blisters, good or bad?

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What are you guys thinking about Firestorm: Armada moving back to blisters?

i personally think it is in general a good idea because u can then just buy what you exactly need but moving to a "blisters only" business puts me off a little bit. I like the Patrol boxes alot as they give me an easy entry into a fleet without worrying i buy something "wrong" or "to early". in particular the patrol boxes were one of the things that pulled me into the game a month ago because of the easy accessability of the game. I think one of the key elements of  getting people into a tabletop is the starting point. Easy accessability grants a good start into the hobby without worrying to much about how to build a fleet and whatnot. As i understand its not yet sure if everything is going blister now or not. Seeing the Traders release. i would appreciate a partrol fleet box as soon as the rules are in dry clothes.

my solution: keep both? why focus on the blister model. blisters are good for veterans in my opinion but u need a starting point for the rookies.

what do you guys think?

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Neratius

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Same here!

The price for a patrolfleet went up by 40%, which is a lot.
I would clearly preffer to have a patrolfleet box, for every race and then  boxes/blisters packed in Squadron sizes for the respective fleet.

The Problem was that the way way they mixed the small and big ships you will always have some ships you don't need.

Packaging was always an issue with Spartan, no matter which race they always did something wrong

Worst example:
Omnidyne, you get those small Corvettes in everybox: either 6 of them as  squadron or 2 as escorts Why?
I have 2 Battleships and wanted to play,light cruisers and escrot carries in one list, or 2 sets of escort carriers, which gives me already 4 sets of 6 Corvettes, (even which is one 2 much in a battlefleet sized battle, since I normally get everyship once, I have one more squadron + 2 escorts so 32 of those small ships.

I normally play them underestrengh 2 sets of 3 and regroup them early in the game. so I would Need 6, a second squadron would have been nice, which leaves me with 20 spare models. SInce every other Omnidyne Player has the same problem I painted 18, and will use the rest as pathogen infected ships, or debris fields.

My favourite packaging for this fleet would have been: a patrol fleet and then boxes/Blisters for all others, maybe with the escorts for the dreadnaught.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Paradomutante said:

Blisters are fine for larges  and smalls, but for mediums and battlecruisers i prefer the boxes hands down, full squadron and options (heavy cruisers).

It's horrible for smalls.

Let's say I need 15 small's for either OSO Corsairs or STL Traders (they have a T3 squadronsize of 2-6, and you want 3 extra as escorts)

Old Price: 15 x 3,5 = £52,5
New Price: 5x14 = £70.

That's a 33% price-increase. What do we get in return? Nothing. Spartan even saves money since there's no pewter involved now, and plastic is cheaper to manufacture.
And let's not talk about the apparent removal of Patrol Boxes...

Spartan Games is about to release a new edition of Firestorm Armada, and at the same time they increase the cost of their producs. That's a bad buisness model. 

 

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To be fair, the big increase is for the T3 blisters.

The Racketeer is £15 and includes SRS tokens (granted I don't know how many). Other T1's are £18-20+ single, SRS £1 each. That's cheaper.

Trader Carriers are £18 inc SRS (again, I don't know how many). If these are comparable to Battlecruisers in size, then boxes go for £22.50 and singles for £13. Again, cheaper.

The T2's are 2/3 in a blister, basically £6 a pop. Boxes are £17-25 or more, with individual models in the £7-9.50 range. Cheaper than some boxes, not others. As for odd models, Ebay them and get some money back,  that's what I did for my excess Destroyers and R&D's!

The T3 blisters make them £4.66 each, compared to £3.50 each in store. Big increase! Makes me wonder if SG are have been making a loss on these, given the size can vary between classes.

I agree that a Patrol fleet box is the way to start a force, especially because of the added TAC decks and counters, but the blisters may be the better to expand one. Tokens and TACs can be downloaded after all. Not mention all of the spare decks I've got...

But i think the cost of the T3 blister needs looking at, unless they were making a loss and are seeking to rectify.

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I never even thought about the Pricing of the items at all. i always approach the hobby as a "luxury item" so i just do not think about the price. dont get me wrong, i am a poor student, but thats just my mindset on it and every bit of money spend on my hobby is good invested money for me^^ 

considering @Bessemer's explanation i am completely on his side. 

But i still have to say a price increase for the t3 from 3,5 to 4,66 does not seem unreasonably for me even though it is a big percentage it is still not alot to pay more. 

The more i think about it, in my mind removing the patrol fleets are a mistake and should not be considered by SG. Blisters are fine and dandy but the boxes are in general very good for starting the game. 2 player boxes are never the go to for starting a game because you always need someone to start with you. if there is an existing player group you want a patrol and expend from there. 

i would love to see the perspective of the spartan staff on the issue and the thought process behind it in general.

 

edit: by the way. i want to thank everyone participating on the issue and for taking the time to answer and give me your opinions. as i am very new to the game (but experienced in the hobby of wargaming, since i am playing Tabletop for over 10 years now) i am really into getting in touch with the community and maybe constructive critics will have an impact on SGs decisions and we will get their opinions on it aswell. please always remember, we are all people who do make mistakes and as Spartan is trying to give out more communication to us we should ALWAYS keep a clear mind without emotions stearing valid points into oblivion.

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1 hour ago, DanSG-19 said:

Wait a minute... The Patrol Fleet boxes are going?!? Like, discontinued? 

OSO Omnidyne and STL Syndicate had Patrol Boxes when they where released last summer.

OSO Corsairs and STL Traders who where just released have no Patrol Boxes...

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56 minutes ago, MinscS2 said:

 

2 hours ago, DanSG-19 said:

Wait a minute... The Patrol Fleet boxes are going?!? Like, discontinued? 

OSO Omnidyne and STL Syndicate had Patrol Boxes when they where released last summer.

OSO Corsairs and STL Traders who where just released have no Patrol Boxes...

 

Don't you think it might just be because they don't have a battleship yet? I just can't believe that -with all their focus on new players- they would throw away those perfect entry points  into the game.. although they did hint at "no more "value-boxes" " in their pricing-blogpost i think =(...Sad Huai is sad..

On the bright side though: Do you guys think ,with new models coming in August and the switch to blisters, that there will be a sale in the near future? =)

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There are support-fleets without Battleships who have Patrol Boxes (Ba'Kash and Ryushi for instance), so they could easily have a Corsair Racketeer and/or 1-2 Trader Prospector's in their Patrol Boxes for Corsairs and Traders respectively.

And I agree, I've already voiced my concern about how removing Patrol Boxes and making the game itself more expensive is a possible turnoff for potential new customers.

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The game absolutely needs patrol boxes as "faction starters." There needs to be an obvious entry point which gives someone what they need to start collecting a faction without having to work that out from blisters.

Also, why call them patrol fleet boxes? Call them, for example, "Terran Starter Fleet" or "Relthoza Starter Fleet." After all, a "patrol fleet" box in 2.0 doesn't give you a full 800pt patrol fleet. Just label the product what it is: a fleet to start with.

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I was under the impression we were getting blisters in addition to boxes, which could be a good alternative for individual models, assuming they are going to be more reasonably priced than the latter.

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Fleet Starter Boxes with Boosters would be great. The two newest factions have just boosters, no starter box. This means what we would have expected in a Starter Box based on past experience is now 33% more expensive when you purchase via blisters since there is no box option.

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2 hours ago, gr1mdan said:

Just had a word with the man in the ivory tower - Fleet Boxes are not going anywhere. Blisters are released alongside those fleets who get a starter/fleet box.

Good to know.

Still wish they would've made Patrol/Starter boxes for OSO Corsairs and STL Traders though, it would've been that easy:

For OSO Corsairs:

1x Racketeer Battle Carrier.
3x Brigand Cruisers
6x Outlaw Frigates.
Single ship costs: £61
Fleet cost: £50
Savings: £11

For STL Traders:
2x Prospector Carriers.
2x Opportunity Cruisers
6x Millitia Frigates
Single ship costs: £58
Fleet cost: £50
Savings: £8


Compare it with the Hawker Industries and Tarakian Patrol Fleets and you'll notice the savings are roughly the same:

Hawker Industries:
1x Excelsior Battleship.
3x Resolute Cruisers.
4x Endeavour Frigates.
Single ship costs: £57,5 
Fleet cost; £50
Savings: £7,5

Tarakians:
1x Sanarl Battleship.
4x Rulak Cruisers.
5x Kurar Frigates.
Single ship costs: £63,5
Fleet cost: £50.
Savings: £13,5

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Maybe they just didn't see them as a main product line to justify the boxes? Only thing I can think of.

Not ideal for the customer but probably better for business overall.

Just happy that Starter Fleets won't be going!

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Does someone know who is in charge of deciding whats in a box and what not? Maybe we could reach out to him/her and tell him/her the concerns and get that department in communication with us aswell :)

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9 hours ago, gr1mdan said:

Just had a word with the man in the ivory tower - Fleet Boxes are not going anywhere. Blisters are released alongside those fleets who get a starter/fleet box.

That's some good news. The Patrol Fleet boxes are fairly good for newbies and even for players with fleets already, keeping those boxes is a very good idea. 

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