Meatshield Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Placing mine tokens on the board with numbers on them to represent AD has been removed, to reduce clutter. Command points have been introduced, they will need to be tracked somewhere, almost certainly visually as that will factor into opponent's decisions. Disorder markers are the new High Energy markers. Corrosion is Corrosion. Crew Points still have to be tracked. SRS tokens: Token strength still has to be tracked, token type still has to be tracked (bomber, assaulter, etc), token light/heavy variant now needs to be tracked, joint strikes need to be tracked. Previewed faction command orders require their own specific tokens, especially if duration of the game orders are still a thing. Seems to me that tracking and book-keeping hasn't been reduced, it's only been centralized to around the bases of ships, those damn dirty tokens in other parts of the board were an eyesore. Sniddy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniddy Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I raised this point - this VERY point when crew loss no longer affected weapons - to reduce the cognitive load, but you STILL have to track the darn things they just do less! ...no come back and now I fear strongly weapon shielding and casing will run rampant as a massive buff with no hard answer other then death Polaris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin21 Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Several of the new rules changes feel, to me, like they're "just becuase" that's how a designer decided they should be. The justifications offered are either wrong (such as removing dice from successes instead of the AD pool being "better" for attackers) or seem like weak "fluff" explanations for things like deployment that could easily be explained in a plethora of different fashions. Commodore Jones and CoreHunter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimat Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 6 hours ago, Meatshield said: Seems to me that tracking and book-keeping hasn't been reduced, it's only been centralized to around the bases of ships, those damn dirty tokens in other parts of the board were an eyesore. I read somewhere that @Spartan Neil loves tokens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy'slawofcombat Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I would like to if stats for Tascforce ships will be incorperated into firestorm?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 19 hours ago, murphy'slawofcombat said: I would like to if stats for Tascforce ships will be incorperated into firestorm?? they said all ships would have stats, including taskforce... but they may vary widely from what you know... maybe in a good way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I can't help but agree that some rules have been set, and no amount of feedback will change it (i'm looking at you cloaks) however, there have been some changes based on the feedback here, targeted strikes being among them, and they are obviously wanting feedback on ship stats i'm not thrilled for a lot of these changes, but we are not entirely without voice in this, and i'm sure the end result will be enjoyable, even if it's not everything I've hoped for keep posting your feedback, positive or negative, it may make all the difference in the end however openminded and constructive feedback, will warrant more open minded development and constructive action, then rudeness or ranting happy posting tansalus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I wanna play the new edition already lol It will be interesting to see how it all comes together and if after a couple of warm up games if I find I get more models on the board I love true massive fleet battles (yeah I was doing it in v1 and that was a weekends worth of time for two or three patrol box equivalent fleets lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S..Mike Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Polaris said: I can't help but agree that some rules have been set, and no amount of feedback will change it (i'm looking at you cloaks) however, there have been some changes based on the feedback here, targeted strikes being among them, and they are obviously wanting feedback on ship stats i'm not thrilled for a lot of these changes, but we are not entirely without voice in this, and i'm sure the end result will be enjoyable, even if it's not everything I've hoped for keep posting your feedback, positive or negative, it may make all the difference in the end however open minded and constructive feedback, will warrant more open minded development and constructive action, then rudeness or ranting happy posting You do realize that you can't really look at cloaks, right? I mean...they're cloaked and all that. Half the forum won't believe me, but I'll say it anyway...the feedback really does affect things. Targeted being a good example. Cloaks and the whole shield/kinetic thing are also being given serious consideration as to how things ought to work. As for the ship stats, yes, that especially will need community feedback. Second edition had a decent amount of balance, at least if you excluded the Sorylians (for not being able to get close enough to do anything) and the Aquans (for being able to get close enough to do everything). Soon, we'll release the stats and rules, and away we go. In six months, we'll review feedback and make adjustments as needed. To all, be careful with the feedback though. Make it useful. Telling us "this sux" or "you ruined the game" doesn't help. But telling us that ship X dies too fast, and it could use more MV, or CR, or the cloak doesn't quite help enough...that we can work with. I'm echoing what @Polaris has said...it is great advice. Cernunnos, Polaris and tansalus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerkics Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 How soon is soon? Days ? Weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S..Mike Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Xerkics said: How soon is soon? Days ? Weeks? You know that is a tricky one to answer. Scheduling is ultimately up to Spartan Neil. He's wanting it sooner than later. If anything, I'm slowing it down in trying to get ship stats to a point where other eyes in the beta/review team can pick them apart before you guys go to town on me. Plus, GenCon preparations is getting in the way of any time I can devote to it. I know, I know...suck it up and get us the stats! I can't give a solid answer to that one. Reach out to @Spartan Neil and see if he'll divulge anything. murphy'slawofcombat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alextroy Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 We are supposed to be field testing 3.0 at Gen Con. You have a week to get that ready @Spartan_FA_Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S..Mike Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 We'll be ready by then. I'm more worried about having the paint dry on some of the ships I'm taking to the con. Woo hoo! Gen Con 50! Can't Wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerkics Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Spartan_FA_Mike said: You know that is a tricky one to answer. Scheduling is ultimately up to Spartan Neil. He's wanting it sooner than later. If anything, I'm slowing it down in trying to get ship stats to a point where other eyes in the beta/review team can pick them apart before you guys go to town on me. Plus, GenCon preparations is getting in the way of any time I can devote to it. I know, I know...suck it up and get us the stats! I can't give a solid answer to that one. Reach out to @Spartan Neil and see if he'll divulge anything. Neil said before to expect new stuff to come out in August so I was wondering whether that turned into end of august or September now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S..Mike Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Well, I kinda think that the stuff I've been posting ought to count as 'new stuff' But as for actual pdf's to look at, that's up to Neil for when it hits the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerkics Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 So any idea when we will get to see new ship profiles and or racial characteristics ? Are those completed or still being finalised now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 To be fair, I'd rather have this level of communication and delays than no communication and the new edition suddenly dropping- Taskforce ruined that second option, you dig? WestAustralian, fracas and Botticelli 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 7 hours ago, Spartan_FA_Mike said: You do realize that you can't really look at cloaks, right? I mean...they're cloaked and all that. see that was exactly my point now I CAN see them, I want to go back to when I CAN'T in all seriousness I appreciate the feedback WE'VE been given your doing a fantastic job at updates and communication thank you @Spartan Mike tansalus and Botticelli 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 started a poll/discussion on cloaks titled cloaks in 3.0 please cast your vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S..Mike Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Polaris said: see that was exactly my point now I CAN see them, I want to go back to when I CAN'T in all seriousness I appreciate the feedback WE'VE been given your doing a fantastic job at updates and communication thank you @Spartan Mike Touche` and thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoreHunter Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 This whole test has been done poorly for an on-line rules game. (around an afternoons worth of work) PDF rule set for V2.M movement changes should have been released under the current rules pdf for a public test period of 1-2 months for feedback. just removing and adding the new movement rules. nothing fancy for testing. PDF rule set for V2.1SRS after that to replace the SRS section with the new rules for testing. heck both could of been done at the same time as neither has any direct relevance to the rest of the rules changes for the most part and are the only changes that are actually needed or honestly wanted by most players. you have on-line pdfs for rules so you can alter them as needed to fix problems. The fact you waited to do taskforce 2.0 armadafall armada 3.0 was unnecessary. Botticelli, Xerkics and Commodore Jones 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestAustralian Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Shunt Matrix or Improved Shunt Matrix or No Shunt Matrix at all? @Spartan_FA_Mike please tell me you have Simplified all Shunt Matrix MAR's to be one roll for the whole squadron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S..Mike Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 5 hours ago, WestAustralian said: Shunt Matrix or Improved Shunt Matrix or No Shunt Matrix at all? @Spartan_FA_Mike please tell me you have Simplified all Shunt Matrix MAR's to be one roll for the whole squadron Shunt Matrix (Value) Models with this MAR may increase (or decrease) their arrival roll from reserve by the Value listed in the Bracket. The reserve phase works as detailed here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestAustralian Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Battle shunting is gone too!!!?!!?!! thats it I'm done. Painting, not playing LBPB, CoreHunter and Xerkics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerkics Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Once Again I Ask . What form exactly did you beta test take ? Because you have rules changes here that are incomprehensible there. You can just tell us that you didnt have a beta test and im sure everyone will be happy to delay the release of final rules so we can test things properly. I think its better to come out clean and admit it rather than release the rules untested. Because i can tell 100% that you didnt have anyone involved in the test who ever played Relthoza with your cloak and shunt changes. WestAustralian, CoreHunter, Flamebeast and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
