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I have noticed a few differences in the MARs between the Rulebook and the Fleet stat cards. I will list them below and how i see the differences. I have cut out some parts but have typed the important lines.

Difficult target: book: -1 to attackers roll on damage table when targeted by weapon attacks.

card: -1 to attackers roll on damage table.

Result: bomber sorties and boarding assults are listed as (non-weapon attacks, p17 of the book under combining non-weapon attacks). So they should not be effected by this MAR when attacking if using the book but will if using the card. (This may have just been shortened to fit on the summary but is important to note)

Cyclic shielding: in the book it says ALL weapon attacks. So can this be used against weapons with MARs that ignore shields and point defence? It lists (including torpedoes) but that is all it's useful against as bomber sorties and boarding assults are Non-weapons.

Nuclear: book: roll a D6 for any models within 4" of that target. On the roll of 4+ the model suffers a disorder marker.

Sheet: on a roll of 4+ ALL models within 4" suffer a disorder marker.

Result: the wording of the book makes it sound like you roll for each model within 4" separately. But the sheet is very clear. Is the sheet right then only a few changes to the books wording would have made it say the same or was the sheet summery shortened but then way say 'ALL'?

Experienced engineers: book: all models with this MAR remove 1 disorder marker in the repairs step on a roll of 4+.

Sheet: you can roll for EACH disorder marker a model may have.

Result: the wording of the book means each ship can roll a dice and remove a disorder marker on a 4+, but the sheet add a whole extra line saying you can roll for each Disorder marker. So is this a case of the rulebook having to have a sentence cut but they included it in the summary sheets?

Minefield and cloaking fields are fine but could warn that the rules contain more then is in the summary.

The rest are either fine (even if worded differently) or have not been seen on a fleet summary card yet.

What are your thoughts?

Is the book or summary cards correct? Its hard to tell as both contain more detail then the other depending on the MARs you are reading.

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Difficult target: book: -1 to attackers roll on damage table when targeted by weapon attacks.
card: -1 to attackers roll on damage table.
Result: bomber sorties and boarding assults are listed as (non-weapon attacks, p17 of the book under combining non-weapon attacks). So they should not be effected by this MAR when attacking if using the book but will if using the card. (This may have just been shortened to fit on the summary but is important to note)
 

I'm of the opinion that the rule book would trump the stat sheets - since the stat sheets are just summaries and were probably produced as secondary sources (apart from the unit statistics that is)

 

Cyclic shielding: in the book it says ALL weapon attacks. So can this be used against weapons with MARs that ignore shields and point defence? It lists (including torpedoes) but that is all it's useful against as bomber sorties and boarding assults are Non-weapons.

 

Yeah, cyclic shielding shouldn't apply to bombing runs. As for attacks that ignore shields (like cyber weapons) I'd say the cyclic shielding trumps it, since it does say 'ALL weapon attacks'.

 

Nuclear: book: roll a D6 for any models within 4" of that target. On the roll of 4+ the model suffers a disorder marker.
Sheet: on a roll of 4+ ALL models within 4" suffer a disorder marker.
Result: the wording of the book makes it sound like you roll for each model within 4" separately. But the sheet is very clear. Is the sheet right then only a few changes to the books wording would have made it say the same or was the sheet summery shortened but then way say 'ALL'?

 

Again, I'd take the rule book over the stat sheet.

 

Experienced engineers: book: all models with this MAR remove 1 disorder marker in the repairs step on a roll of 4+.
Sheet: you can roll for EACH disorder marker a model may have.
Result: the wording of the book means each ship can roll a dice and remove a disorder marker on a 4+, but the sheet add a whole extra line saying you can roll for each Disorder marker. So is this a case of the rulebook having to have a sentence cut but they included it in the summary sheets?

 

Again, the book over the stat sheet, otherwise this becomes a very powerful MAR indeed - being able to remove multiple disorder tokens from a unit each turn ... Yes please! :P

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-balteth I do agree with you on all these point as in most cases the summaries simplify the game or tactics.

As a space lizard i would like the sheet summaries to be correct but in small point games it is already easy just to remove all the disorder tokens using the nomal biding system. As the games get larger im sure experienced engineers with become much more important.

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