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Sort of directing this to Neil, but I'm wondering what the concept is for growing a 2 player set to a full tier 2 squadron.

With 2 tier 2 ships in the 2 player set, it will be difficult to get to 3 ships for a full squadron.

Currently you could buy a Reinforcement set to get to 5 tier 2's, but you'll still have a tier 2 squadron with a missing ship.

The only way would be to buy 3 starter sets to get 6 tier 2's, but that seems excessive to just get a max squadron.

Will there be any way to get a single tier 2 ship of the new sculpts to round out our 2 player set?

Thanks!

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Sort of directing this to Neil, but I'm wondering what the concept is for growing a 2 player set to a full tier 2 squadron.

With 2 tier 2 ships in the 2 player set, it will be difficult to get to 3 ships for a full squadron.

Currently you could buy a Reinforcement set to get to 5 tier 2's, but you'll still have a tier 2 squadron with a missing ship.

The only way would be to buy 3 starter sets to get 6 tier 2's, but that seems excessive to just get a max squadron.

Will there be any way to get a single tier 2 ship of the new sculpts to round out our 2 player set?

Thanks!

 

They will probably turn up as singles in the online store at some point, at twice their normal price.

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In a good mood again Frans?

 

Excellent actually  ;)

 

And it's not my problem anyway btw, If I'm going to buy any of these miniatures they will come in reinforcement boxes.

 

I just answered your question based on how Spartan has handled this since the introduction of the boxes…

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I think the blisters will be seen in DW first Steve. Boxes are a brilliant idea and at the time, very useful. However they do have their downsides. As an ex-retailer they were nice to sell because folks could get fleets up quickly. However they took up a lot of room and were quite expensive to get restocks in due to weight and cost.

For new shops wanting to stock a game a mix of blister and boxes is good due to a better price point.

The key think is for Spartan to adapt carefully and smartly.

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As far as I know individual miniatures and parts can be ordered through the regular sales channel, so we don't really need blisters, the only thing we need is a more realistic pricing on individual miniatures and parts.

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I think they are pretty sensible, most other companies don't even do this service, nevermind have it well priced. DZC don't, GW don't, FoW don't (apart from direct at more expense), PP don't, Infinity don't...I may be wrong but from my retailer memory I am correct.

So why is it more expensive to order individually?

Sometimes the ship isn't even in stock so a full spin up of molds would be needed to get just one ship. That's time and man power intensive. And leaves left over ships. It is more expensive overall.

Spartan are ultimately a business and know their mark up better than what we do and price accordingly

So yeah, I disagree.

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I think they are pretty sensible, most other companies don't even do this service, nevermind have it well priced. DZC don't, GW don't, FoW don't (apart from direct at more expense), PP don't, Infinity don't...I may be wrong but from my retailer memory I am correct.

So why is it more expensive to order individually?

Sometimes the ship isn't even in stock so a full spin up of molds would be needed to get just one ship. That's time and man power intensive. And leaves left over ships. It is more expensive overall.

Spartan are ultimately a business and know their mark up better than what we do and price accordingly

So yeah, I disagree.

 

Well, my wallet doesn't agree with you.

 

And I bet those other companies don't sell you incomplete units without offering an affordable solution to complete these units.

 

Al those difficulties you mention, for as far as they are real, are a direct result from Spartan's change from blisters to boxes, to save money and please retailers, and as such should be paid for by Spartan, and not by customers who didn't ask for that change.

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Err..

You need to look in to those companies then!

The request was by retailers, who ultimately listen to customers. The positive side is that they are listening again and have recognised that blisters are a valid and sensible way to sell. As long they aren't done in bloody pairs...

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I really miss going into a store and buying the last ship I needed to complete my squadron.

Or to grab that next Frigate squadron to get to the next point value without getting an extra Battleship I'll rarely get to use if ever.

I really hope to see blisters again :-)

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The request was by retailers, who ultimately listen to customers.

 

 

The request was by retailers, who wanted to get more profit out of each square meter.

 

Spartan listened, and doing so also got them more profit out of their own square meters.

 

And the bill was dropped with those players who needed to addapt blister based 1.0 / 1.5 fleets to 2.0 squadron compositions, or wanted ships that came in boxes containing other ships they already bought in blisters before.

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Frans is completely correct and I completely agree :)

 

I hate incomplete squads with a passion :angry: I've never seen anyone use a incomplete squad ever, so why sell them.

 

It was that reason why my group didn't buy the taskforce boxes, who wants 2 cruisers then have to faf about buying the 3rd cruiser and for the reinforcement boxes your basically paying ten pounds for one more cruiser.....

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He's sort of correct. Unfortunately, in the long run it's not been probably the best idea but many other companies have fallen short of this. Let's see...Infininty do starter sets at around the £30 mark that contain models I can't get individually AT ALL so if I want more of one of those, I have to buy another box. GW have Riptides in squadrons of 1-3, yet their normal box is 1 Riptide. Malifaux suffer the same fate too. I have a feeling you are from a historical wargaming background where companies DO provide a lot of models individually at good prices. 

 

I'd like to state I've never had a problem starting any V2.0 game they've produced from DW to FSA. Could it be better? Of course it could be. Hence why they are looking going back to blisters combined with boxes. The question is then what size do you do the blisters in - so combine their 3 biggest sellers in the last year, FSA, Halo and PF, and all of a sudden the blister/packing time sky rockets.

 

Do you say - make single ship blisters? Frigate and Corvettes in Squadron size blisters? Cruiser in a single ship blister with an upgrade part? The range of SKUs has just then entered in to the many 1000s with 5 systems with 20+ races in two of them. Each with many variations of ships. That's where they need a nice POS idea though so retailers aren't bombarded with a trade list the length of a strand of DNA and can just buy something around the £300-500 mark that could cover maybe 2 of the systems. A DL and DW one, PF and FSA and a Halo/Halo Ground one. In fact - I might put that forward lol.

 

The cost is irrespective in my opinion between multi/single ships. Many items that are sold individually are marked up. Packets of crisps (potato chips), fruit, cans of Coke, nearly EVERYTHING is cheaper in a multipack and more expensive individually. Spartan are no different, as are many war gaming companies.

 

Also, a Teuton Cruiser is £7.50 on it's own, making a squadron of 3 £22.50. £2.00 cheaper but minus 3 Heavy Cruiser Upgrade parts. A Cruiser box is £24.50. Battlecruisers are £3.50 more expensive if you order individually. Hardly bank breaking IMO and fully justifies the extra cost of storage, manpower to pack, etc. 

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I think it could be summed up as :

1. Sell full squadrons only (even when combined with other ships)

2. Have some products without full squadrons and the ability to by the correct amount to make these partial squadrons into full either with one or more additions.

Having some units you don't use is a part of most games due to SKU creep.

I'd like to see boxes of full tier 1 and 2 squadrons and blisters for tier 3's.

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Some sound ideas there Steve. Good stuff.

 

@Frans - some good points from you btw as well. You are ceaseless in your pursuit of standards and as much as it grates on me sometimes, you are generally the type of straight talking person needed in small doses ;)

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Also, a Teuton Cruiser is £7.50 on it's own, making a squadron of 3 £22.50. £2.00 cheaper but minus 3 Heavy Cruiser Upgrade parts. A Cruiser box is £24.50. Battlecruisers are £3.50 more expensive if you order individually. Hardly bank breaking IMO and fully justifies the extra cost of storage, manpower to pack, etc. 

 

Yeah right...

 

2.0 left me with a need for escorts to accompany the 50 or so large capital ships I own.

Escorts that are only available in boxes with large capital ships I don't need.

So my only option is to buy them as individual miniatures at 3.50 GBP a piece while miniatures that size sold in boxes on average cost about 2.10 GBP.

That's a 40% price hike, which translates to serious money if you need dozens of the buggers.

 

And if I want something like a squadron of Plumbatas for instance, without buying Frigates I own enough of already, that squadron will cost me 17.50 GBP, while the box containing both those Plumbatas and an entire Squadron of Frigates costs 17.00 GBP.

So this is about much more than a few measly pounds here and there...

 

I fully understand why it costs more to deliver single miniatures, what I don't understand however is why I have to pick up the tab for someone else's party.

Spartan created this problem, and if solving it in an acceptable way, by offering those single miniatures at comparable prices, means they have to cut their profit margin on those single miniatures, on what I consider to be a service product, then tough luck.

Create the problem, pay for the problem.

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@Frans - some good points from you btw as well. You are ceaseless in your pursuit of standards and as much as it grates on me sometimes, you are generally the type of straight talking person needed in small doses ;)

 

Ah well, don't worry, there's only one of me...;)

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So then buy the box and sell the Frigates? That's just my capitalist pig dog attitude though ;-)

 

In all seriousness - there can be improvements made to how they do singles but I still disagree it's anywhere near as bad as you claim.

 

Unfortunately I still think anything around £20 is quite measly in terms of wargaming. Maybe that's just our strong currency, I don't know. It certainly doesn't help exports at the moment.

 

For example: Team Yankee starter sets for the USA is £50 for FIVE, yes FIVE plastic 15mm M1 Abrams and 2 Cobras. The Russian set is £75.00 for 9 15mm T-72s and 2 Hinds. Safe to say THAT kind of pricing puts me right off a game. Ditto with DZC. One Heavy Dropship is £19.00! It's about 3 Plumbatas worth of resin...However £17.50 for a squadron of 5 Corvettes I can stomach. If they could be cheaper, then great, but for now it's not breaking the bank.

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plumbatas are white metal which makes them worth more. i see the prices gone up i wish there was 3 in the box but for what i paid for and what game in the starter box its totally worth it!  I however went and bought reinforcement sets for FSA and those fit my need perfectly. i can see them selling the individual model in seperate cases. but by the time they would go back to blisters. it would cost too much. by the time someone casts it checks it ships that single model i can see the cost adding up. Taskforce Starter is really nice. blows xwing, attack wing, armada starters way out for what you get. I play the others as well, but here I am being a fanboy of Spartan.

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So then buy the box and sell the Frigates? That's just my capitalist pig dog attitude though ;-)

 

In all seriousness - there can be improvements made to how they do singles but I still disagree it's anywhere near as bad as you claim.

 

Unfortunately I still think anything around £20 is quite measly in terms of wargaming. Maybe that's just our strong currency, I don't know. It certainly doesn't help exports at the moment.

 

For example: Team Yankee starter sets for the USA is £50 for FIVE, yes FIVE plastic 15mm M1 Abrams and 2 Cobras. The Russian set is £75.00 for 9 15mm T-72s and 2 Hinds. Safe to say THAT kind of pricing puts me right off a game. Ditto with DZC. One Heavy Dropship is £19.00! It's about 3 Plumbatas worth of resin...However £17.50 for a squadron of 5 Corvettes I can stomach. If they could be cheaper, then great, but for now it's not breaking the bank.

 

 

Selling of surplus miniatures may be an option if you live in London, but it sure isn't one out here in the wargaming badlands.

 

And I claim nothing, I just compare single miniature prices with the per miniature price of those same miniatures when they come in boxes, and the results are what they are, it's just basic arithmetic.

 

And those Battlefront plastics are hideously expensive indeed, which is the main reason I won't be buying any of them.

 

But I'm not going to compare Spartan prices with what another company thinks it can ask for an injection moulded plastic sprue, I'll compare them with what is relevant in this case.

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I live in the barren wastelands of Nottingham so definitely not got the boundless cash of the southern realms...

 

I compared resin too. Which many companies fall short of also.

 

And yeah, I was really up for giving TY a go but those prices were nuts.

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