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The available Taskforce images show tier 3's on a new smaller base size, so are the Armada tier 3's going to come with those smaller sized flight stands too?

 

In principle it would be a good thing for each tier to have its own base size, I think.

 

This would, however, require re-basing all the older tier 3's in order to maintain uniformity, which at the current 1 GBP per flight stand could get rather costly for those who already have a sizeable miniatures collection.

 

So if all new tier 3's are going to get these smaller based flight stands indeed are we also going to get an option to acquire these flight stands in a more economical way?

 

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These is no requisite for Taskforce or Armada gamers to buy the 20x20mm Flight Stands, we simply chose to put our Tier 3s on them because we felt they looked better. :D

 

Players shouldn't feel like we are telling/pressuring them to make any changes to their existing fleets, simply play with what you have now if you wish to.

 

That said, there is a case for putting a bundle pack into the Parts Service so players who choose to take their Tier 3s on 20x20mm flight stands.

I don't know about the likely cost to the gamer of this however, but I can ask. :)

 

 

Cheers

Derek

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will future released FSA T3 Ships come with the 20x20 Flight Stands or only T3´s for Taskforce? Maybe it will be cheaper to use the lager ones for TF if someone wants to maintain consistency

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Players shouldn't feel like we are telling/pressuring them to make any changes to their existing fleets, simply play with what you have now if you wish to.

 

I'm not a competitive / tournament player myself, but I don't think those who are will like such a casual approach to something that has an actual effect in the game…

 

 

That said, there is a case for putting a bundle pack into the Parts Service so players who choose to take their Tier 3s on 20x20mm flight stands.

I don't know about the likely cost to the gamer of this however, but I can ask. :)

 

That would be much appreciated :)

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Agreed, competitive players (tournament or otherwise) will want a set ruling on base sizes; they do not like "use whatever you think looks best" when it comes to that. Just recall the recent hubbub about flight peg heights.

 

Personally, I think the smaller ones for the Tier 3 both look better and make more sense, especially in Armada where the "Vectored Movement" rules for bumping  bases/models can have a lot more (excuse the pun) impact.

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Will there be specific tournament standards? Like Tier 3's get small bases, tier 1's get large bases, etc?

A lot of tournament guys like mandated rules by the company - even if the game fits casual play with whatever sized base.

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if a rule has to made it should be "models should be on a base of equivalent size to that they were sold with, or (instert the new standard sizes here"  because ill be damned tournament or not if I cant get a game or play in an event because I dont have the time, money, or intereset to swap out all the bases on my Snappers.

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if a rule has to made it should be "models should be on a base of equivalent size to that they were sold with, or (instert the new standard sizes here"  because ill be damned tournament or not if I cant get a game or play in an event because I dont have the time, money, or intereset to swap out all the bases on my Snappers.

 

There exist a lot of tier 1's that share stats but not base sizes.

 

I think that's something Spartan should never have let happen, and now it looks like they are going to do it again with the tier 3's.

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oh im aware (i have a complete set of V1 Aquans right alongside my newest versions of them)
Point being is that there should be nothing to force ppl who dont want to/cant rebase their models, thus my whole "base that it came with is acceptable" idea.  I understand the effect it has with SRS and terrain intercation, but if ive learned anything from Neil on this forum is that the absolute last thing he wants to force ppl to do is buy random stuff like new bases just to keep playing this game with older models.

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Yes, that's all very nice, but as I mentioned before, for really competitive (tournament) play that kite won't fly.

 

And I myself don't play that competitive, so this whole base size issue isn't that important to me personally, but when it comes to the usability of the older models, I still see some problems.

 

Rules wise you can certainly still use all the older models, but in practice a lot of them simply don't fit in with the newer models visually any more.

 

And I'm not talking design and/or quality here, nothing wrong with them in that regard, I'm talking about model size; a lot of them are simply dwarfed by their more recent replacements, and as such look rather underwhelming when fielded next to them.

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Dindrenzi being the exception... Lol

But Battleships are a good example of what Fran's is talking about. All ships were on the standard one peg stand. Most Battleships now come on double peg stands.

At least reading isn't like most 28mm games were it would mean ripping off models from glued bases. These would be peg replacements. If needed of course.

Original base size would be a fair ruling, but may drive some to seek old models for base function.

It's a bits of a damned either way at this point I think. But a solid tournament stance is still a good idea. Most tourney organizers tend to change rules anyway, but a standard from Spartan would lay a good foundation.

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I dont disagree that a standard needs to be set....but end of the day you either loose out on tournament players who dont think the basing system is "tight enough" or you simply drive existing customers to not get invovled in the growing tournament scene. And as ive said before (and as neil and derek have struck at in this thread) Spartan seems to have no interest in making anyone re-base anything.

I would also add as a note that even the great evil empire of GW just went with "use the base the model came with or the newest size" so that ppl didnt need to re-base all their terminators etc despite the base sizes having an in game effect.

and if ppl really want to go out of their way to buy V1 models to gain some "advantage" in a tournament, let them fill their boots, they better be able to play just as well as they can shop on ebay or better

 

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I would also add as a note that even the great evil empire of GW just went with "use the base the model came with or the newest size" so that ppl didnt need to re-base all their terminators etc despite the base sizes having an in game effect.

I, for one, don't have any ships permanently based and all ships are (or are being) modified to use only 1 peg, but with the number of ships I have slowly approaching 200 I do not have any clue as to which ship came with which base anyway. So I always use the large (60x60) bases for the T1 ships except the battlecruisers, and the smaller (40x40) bases for the rest. Also, as my group doesn't own any of the v1 ships (yet), this has never been an issue :)

 

However, since rules exist that specifically interact with base sizes instead of flight pegs, like fixed weapons (looking at you Dindrenzi), I would like to see an official statement from Spartan Games regarding what base size to use for a given ship size, at least pertaining to tournaments. Like, for instance, large bases for Large ships, medium bases for Medium ships, and small bases for the Small ships and Small escorts. Quick, easy, and clear to all.

 

This makes all potential issues go away in one fell swoop, and I don't think many tournament players would have issues with this as long as Spartan Games could/would offer replacement bases quite cheap. As bases are basically just needed to keep the models standing upright, their cost in materials and labour are quite low as it is, and production time needed for these items is at a minimum anyway, so how about they could be offered at a little over manufacturing price (plus VAT ofc.)?

 

The differing bases for v1 ships could maybe be solved through despatch mailing out replacements. I mean, how many MK1 ships could there be anyway. And for most tournament players, provided the bases are cheap enough in the store, exchanging 10 to 20 flight stands is not that big of a deal.

 

Small bases for the small ships and small escorts do look a lot better in my book!

And, talking of bases, I would love some with etched radar markings in the frontal arc or something similar!

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Like, for instance, large bases for Large ships, medium bases for Medium ships, and small bases for the Small ships and Small escorts. Quick, easy, and clear to all.

 

Exactly, and re-basing FA ships isn't much work anyway.

 

You only have to pull off, or clip away if you have glued them, the old base and insert the peg into the new one, piece of cake.

 

The only “snag” is that they are pretty expensive at the moment because you have to buy them as individual parts through the shop.

 

That's why I asked for a more economical way to buy larger numbers of them.

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I agree that the small bases look better....but I have upwards of 50 small ships all of which are permanently based (I have no idea why I do it but all my ships are glued to their bases, which makes the whole idea of "having" to change bases quite a big deal for me.....plus as ive said before Derek was quite clear that they dont want ppl to fell they "have" to change bases)

plus you have to remember its also a cost issue.  while 1 pound per flight stand may sound great, thats nearly 2$ CAD (usually its over 2$ but the GBP is having a relatively weak few days).  I cant think of many ppl willing to drop 100$ just on flight stands for perfectly good models for no other reason than some newer models have slightly smaller bases.

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lol as for V1 models, there is (randomly enough) an entire club of 8 or 10 ppl in Nova Scotia who tought spartan had gone out of business......they all have huge V1 fleets and were still playing V1 until i showed them the updated/rules stats about 6 months ago.  Was like a time warp when I rand into them.

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Original bases that came with the model or small for tier 3, medium for tier 2, and large for tier 1 sounds like a fair ruling to me.

If people hunt down old models for base size abuse I think more power to them. It's not a major advantage, only very slim. And with forward fixed, possibly disadvantageous.

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Well, i think the new Tier 3s look much better on the smaller bases. I never rally liked the small ships on the standard sized bases - espacially the tiny ones like the Sorylian Pulmbata and such. That said, i think it could be a big deal in intriducing the small bases to Firsestorm Armada since at fixed channels, the base size would matter quite a lot. Maybe FsA V3.0 would be a good opportunity to adress this problem and make clear statements in regard towards base sizes.

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Tier 3's are maneuverable enough to line up any shot, I don't think that would be an issue.

I 100% agree that the Tier 3's look much better on the smaller base size. Corvettes mostly look silly on standard bases.

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