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So we are getting more helixs and battle options however after the command helix options I got to thinking. Most tabletop wargames focus upon units and mobility. Static elements are for terrain and barring a few companies, most rely upon whatever the players can cobble together to build a working battlefield.

Now whilst I'd love to see Spartan either in-house or with a 3rd party develop a full range of buildings and terrain features for planetfall games it did make me think. Maybe planetfall could be one game to do something different from the others and have structures per faction as a bigger part of the gameplay.

Not just a control node with a few turrets, but actual bases of operation and other ground structures start to feature as a major part of gameplay. Elements that are either dropped in or could form the basis for specialist scenarios and are thus pre-deployed.

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Boarding with a Leviathan certainly sounds like fun though... I can't mentally unsee a Dindrenzi Cronos Leviathan standing victoriously atop a battered and burning Terran Battleship and riding that sucker into the atmosphere.

Definitely gives a new meaning to 'Sky Drop'... :P

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honestly this sounds like formation from 40k and they are teribad.

 

Right...assuming your normal negative attitude I see... ;-)

 

Let's have a look why they are bad in 40k...

 

*Expensive money wise

*Expensive points wise (generally)

*Come with exceedingly powerful rules - in some cases they are game breaking, mostly just super powerful.

*No real flavour, just mental rules.

*Rubbish Core rules

 

Why they COULD work in Spartan systems

 

*Cheaper

*Less abusive system due to the nature of the game itself and it's great Core system.

*No extra special rules, just a bonus Helix system. Allowing for more customisation but no extra rules. We won't want extra special rules, leave that for Characters.

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But would it really alter the balance?

 

Would having two GA Helixes and a Recon Helix seem game breaking to you?

 

How about a new Helix maybe???

 

You buy 2 x Recon and it unlocks a "special" Recon Helix?

 

I honestly don't think balance would get thrown out the window, given how balanced it is now (Relthoza withstanding, although I did witness them lose yesterday) or the fact you can take multiple battlegroups to get around this already.

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Right...assuming your normal negative attitude I see... ;-)

Let's have a look why they are bad in 40k...

*Expensive money wise

*Expensive points wise (generally)

*Come with exceedingly powerful rules - in some cases they are game breaking, mostly just super powerful.

*No real flavour, just mental rules.

*Rubbish Core rules

Why they COULD work in Spartan systems

*Cheaper

*Less abusive system due to the nature of the game itself and it's great Core system.

*No extra special rules, just a bonus Helix system. Allowing for more customisation but no extra rules. We won't want extra special rules, leave that for Characters.

Well I understand where he is coming from though.the formation rules from A Certain Games Company gets out of hand pretty quickly (space undead or space elves anyone?) So it's understandable in regards to the negativity surrounding it.

I'm interested to see if SG can make this work though. So far I"ve seen that tweaks and updates being made prudently, so I have high hopes for spartan

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I think its important to realise that the structure of how GW designs their games isn't inherently bad. The problem is how they choose to balance their game within that structure and its been clear that a primary weakness is that each army is added one after the other, often with a bias toward making "new" armies "da best evah!" (although not always). GW just doesn't take balancing as seriously as many other companies. Indeed the serious rules is one area of the market GW leaves open that others are quick to fill.

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to be fair, for casual games arent' we able to totally do what we like? for example in Armada, me and the Sluggas are going to soon be doing a whole game just involving SRS tokens.... we're also talking about infantry only games of planetfall just to make use of all the spare bases we end up with after the infantry upgrade boxes!

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to be fair, for casual games arent' we able to totally do what we like? for example in Armada, me and the Sluggas are going to soon be doing a whole game just involving SRS tokens.... we're also talking about infantry only games of planetfall just to make use of all the spare bases we end up with after the infantry upgrade boxes!

Which was probably how the idea of Age of Sigh-mar was born......

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Zahariel you shall be shunned for speaking the blasphemous name of the unspeakable horror!

SHUUUUUNN!

Nay! For I am an agent of Sigh-mar, and I came with my hammer to set planetfall to a proper..... Path.

No helixes! Instead you can use helix-scrolls now! Play with whatever you want! Forge your narratives with forged narratives. =P

On a more serious note, yeah.......most of us here think balance is quite important in a game. When a game company asks their players to balance their game for them.... It's a bad sign.

Fortunately SG has been diligent in pumping out/updating their rules, so I have high hopes for them

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to be fair, for casual games arent' we able to totally do what we like? for example in Armada, me and the Sluggas are going to soon be doing a whole game just involving SRS tokens.... we're also talking about infantry only games of planetfall just to make use of all the spare bases we end up with after the infantry upgrade boxes!

Thing is there's a few factors to consider:

1) Some game groups don't have an established player in a game franchise, so several people might join together to start a new game line. Having a quick round official game format is great for them, it entices them in with a single easy "all in one" purchase to get started and the simple fast rules make for fun entertaining matches without having too many rules to get caught up on.

2) "Official" carries weight. If you don't believe me consider how Games Workshop games are nearly always played with official rules even in independent clubs; granted some use older rules formats or a few house rules; but the core is official in most cases.

This is a powerful display of how, even "substandard" rules are generally more formally and extensively used so it makes sense that if Spartan wants to encourage smaller intro games with a simpler format that they should in turn publish their own.

3) Whilst balance is a never ending debate/argument/battle/war official still carries some degree of neutrality if not actual balance (ideally it carries both). Which means players can feel safe playing it with any chosen faction - home grown rules systems can be be bit more limited in testing and thus have a bias; or might be perceived to have one. Plus not every game group has players who would have the know-how, skill and time to write their own.

4) Finally by encouraging it officially it lets there be some unification between different clubs. If Taksforce takes off as a fun filer game it means players can go from club to club and know the rules will remain the same (barring any house rules).

Age of Sigmar ideally fits into this bracket as well, its only failing is that GW dumped all their formal rules at the same time. Whilst there is some argument for that in that it streamlines production and keeps things simple for the buyer; it's also a serious slap in the face for any more serious players (especially considering the games decades of legacy players). Sigmar as a complimentary fun rules system would be ideal and a fun way to get people into the game with a bit of that "Unhinged" sillyness from Magic the Gathering (another company that did a silly run but kept its serious rules).

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To be fair I am pretty certain the some of the 300 are just signed up on Facebook and haven't ever come down to the club it we always have a decent number in. Got 3 more who just purchased Planetfall this week (2 X Dindrenzi and a Sorylian) so it is starting to pick up speed now. The bad thing is that we need to did more 10mm terrain!

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To be fair I am pretty certain the some of the 300 are just signed up on Facebook and haven't ever come down to the club it we always have a decent number in. Got 3 more who just purchased Planetfall this week (2 X Dindrenzi and a Sorylian) so it is starting to pick up speed now. The bad thing is that we need to did more 10mm terrain!

ha ha! i'm fairly sure we are members of the same club :) i am down there but mainly for bolt action. 

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ha ha! i'm fairly sure we are members of the same club :) i am down there but mainly for bolt action.

Just get yourself a load of Planetfall and come join the fun mate :) I'm David Richardson and if you are on the Sluggas Facebook page you will know that I am never childish or borderline crazy. Join us in the addiction!

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