haatel Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hochmeister have same troubles, i think. Especialy compared with other melee variants of bots. Tevtons can give +d3 to move, which makes Hoch a rocket - 7+2d3 move is literaly 9-13 inches (ranged modification is 8-10, what is nice too, and i think pretty balanced compared to other mechs). Metzger with it is 8-12, so its good too. But i dont think spartans will add such buff to prussian robots, even if it will fix balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandzark Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I always thought the Metzger was a fine vessel for the price. Has a great degress of firepower and intimidation and a solid durability at a cheap cost. Only reason it isn't "used more" or is found lacking, is that the Prussian Larges are already a tough cherry pick! Not a lot of bad apples in that bunch. Then when you start looking at Addlers, Donnerfausts and Havels... the "justification" for taking the big robot just falls short. But as he is, still a great model. Id be tickled to have a Russian "smaller-Large" robot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme27uk Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 Considering the Metzger is B now, are there plans for other variants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Considering the Metzger is B now, are there plans for other variants?Most of the "A" Metzgers have been retrofitted into St.Michaels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleones Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Considering the Metzger is B now, are there plans for other variants? In version 1 the Metzger was just the Metzger. We were gifted a -B version during the 1.1 days and your could field either. The Original "A" version is no longer listed in 2.0. It was indeed relatively weak and the -B was a very welcome buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 In version 1 the Metzger was just the Metzger. We were gifted a -B version during the 1.1 days and your could field either. The Original "A" version is no longer listed in 2.0. It was indeed relatively weak and the -B was a very welcome buff. Honestly, I prefered the old Metzger A. It was cheap and had some pretty decent AD and came in squads of two. The Metzger B made it better in water, but then it went up to 150pts from 90pts. If I'm honest, I kept using the Metzger A and I'm sad that it wasn't kept anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 The "A" Metzgers have all been recalled, and retrofitted into St.Michaels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 It was never explicitly stated that's what happened. We just assume that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeAsir Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I have recently started Prussians and I gotra admit: will only take these boys on land. I would like to see more max/min Metzger profiles. Possibly specialist in range or boarding. One as a schluder platform and maybe another that is stripped down for speed and has a nasty boarding profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I'm just curious, does anyone actually use Metzger for any reason other then "I have the model so might as well use it sometimes"? Does anyone use it strictly on its own merits? Does the weapon stats justify the 150pts price tag it commands, or in any situation not feel like another squadron would be a better use for the points you spending? For example, in naval games (what i mostly play) I would easily consider taking a Battlecruiser, long before I think of bringing Metzger. I'd even consider bringing a Gewitterwolke before thinking of bringing Metzger. So I'm curious about whether anyone actually thinks Metzger is relevant anymore...aside from story telling/propaganda purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicius Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 I've been thinking along the same lines as well. Metzgers are great models and I really like the idea behind a large robot smashing ships. However, I think they suffer from the fact that they have to be balanced between land and naval battles making them sub par in naval. Which is a pitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazduruk_Bugzappa Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 My Metzgers are pretty much STO. This includes one that I recently converted into a St.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeAsir Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 For the same price the Brit's get the Vengeance. The Vengeance is far more survivable and has a larger damage output. Saying that I will buy and use them. Cos giant steam punk robot's are cool and make you into a sexual tyrannosaurus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicius Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 I guess I'll get mix giant steampunk robot fix when I buy a Hochmeister. Can't seem to find a excuse to use a Metzger, although I really like the models! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 - irrelevant - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herezjohny Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Because the battle robot can be in the water, does it still count as a land or navel unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veldrain Posted November 23, 2016 Report Share Posted November 23, 2016 It is listed as an Armoured unit so it is land. Regardless of where it happens to be standing at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedora71 Posted November 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2016 Yup, that's an annoying drawback of it. I'd like a more Marine version of it but *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsiegel1983 Posted December 3, 2016 Report Share Posted December 3, 2016 I use the Metzger during Naval battles on occasion. I bring 2 because I like giant robots. They always die horribly and never make their points back. If they made the saint Michael pattern multi-purpose I would use them a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicius Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Well I've recently acquired two Metzgers along with a Rhine and dome escorts. I'm considering using them now since I have the model. I plan on running both to get at least on amongst the enemy. Any pointers on Metzger use? Looking at the AA a cap seems mandatory. And some close escorts to block torpedoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Simple tip? Don't use them in Naval games. Period. They suck so bad. Presidente 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presidente Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 They really should just be land only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicius Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Is it really that bad? Their dr/cr seems semi reasonable for their points. I'm taking two for redundancy. I know they're no Tourbillions or something like that but they should do something right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presidente Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Its never going to be as good as ship in naval game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicius Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Sure in a tournament I wouldn't take one. However I don't play tournaments and we don't have a super death meta locally. Anything usefull to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
