Jump to content
Grom

Just starting Planetfall

Recommended Posts

Greetings all I am just starting Planetfall as of today when my 2 starter boxs arrive which I had a hard time getting as 2 of the brick and mortar stores I visited didn't have the starter boxes and couldn't even order them in.  This lead me to think that maybe they are being replaced like the armada ones did.  Is this true? lol is my timing that bad?

 

One thing I have noticed is there is not alot of players to be honest I have never seen the game being played :(  and only real battle report vids I have seen is from a German group who do a mix of English and German reports and unboxings and fleet signals how to play planetfall.  

 

Not seen alot of planet fall on Beasts of war ether despite there being a good number of releases which again is very disappointing then I have surfed the net and there is a lot of bad blood against spartan for unsupported games and such but the only game I know of that spartan left was the man'o'war variant of dystopian wars.  hasnt every company left a game behind at some point hell gw has left 5 or 6 behind so I think this hate is a little unjustified.

 

 I know spartan doesn't have the most complex rule set and seems to be very very similar over all there systems which is a tad disappointing but on the flip side does make it easier to get into the other games they make.  To the simple rule set stuff I dont think its that simple compared to other games any more dont get me wrong its no FoW or 40k or even full thrust but its not meant to be like KoW is no old warhammer it takes the spirit and try's to rip out the dead weight.  At least thats my thoughts on it

 

 

Ok this may have turned in to some weird review   not my intent.  I can not understand why there is such a huge lack of battle reports or even knowledge of planet fall or the rest of the games spartan needs to get there bloody finger out with all this do some of your own vids it costs nothing to put on you tube come on spartan give your self a chance at least and in the process drum up business for your self.  Get on beasts of war do some starter battles hell I may end up having a player base then :P 

 

To give an example of just how bad the knowledge of this game is the shop (not naming names encase it hurts the shop) sells planetfall stuff has like 12 of the boxes (lil bit of everything)  maybe more and they didn't even know there was a starter set out for planet fall I laughed I thought they where joking I even had to explain it was the very first thing out for planetfall then they couldn't even order it in.  They had armada starter both of them and the dystopian wars one along with legion so what the hell happened.

 

So any way am looking for some players of this game when I get into it around glasgow, dumbarton, helensburgh, ballock even a decent stocked shop would be good (that doesn't mean a shop that holds little or no stuff but can order it in so the hell can I, I hate that especially when its first time at the shop or they hold none or very little of the game system any way).  Only shop I ever found that was good was worlds at war but sadly its gone.

 

 

On to colour scheme thinking black and yellow for the aquans and grey urban feel the  for directorate

 

been a long first post hope its formatted right when posted it shouldn't be a wall of text although sod your terrain shields I have a wall of text "insert dramatic music here" 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Greetings all I am just starting Planetfall as of today when my 2 starter boxs arrive which I had a hard time getting as 2 of the brick and mortar stores I visited didn't have the starter boxes and couldn't even order them in.  This lead me to think that maybe they are being replaced like the armada ones did.  Is this true? lol is my timing that bad?

 

Hi, and welcome to the game.

No, your timing isn't that bad, the planetfall stater is not discontinued.  I know  in the US, many stores use a supplier, rather than order directly from Spartan, and that seems to create all sorts of availability and delay problems ( store tries to order XYZ  from supplier, supplier doesn't have it in, and doesn't want to make a big order from Spartan until they have more requests, or something like that!)

 

You seem to be West end of the central belt of Scotland. There are active groups in Glasgow, Edinburgh, and a couple of the bigger central belt towns.

 

james

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Welcome aboard: it's nice to see another 'North Briton' on the forum.

 

Have you tried Static Games in King St., Glasgow for Planetfall models, etc. Failing that, there are numerous online retailers offering decent discounts...

 

P. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

north Briton insults already tut tut thought this was meant to be a friendly forum 

static games isnt any good for anything i want been awhile since i was in there but doubt i would ever go back 

yeah I use elemental games or troll trader on ebay for most of my gaming needs but be nice to have a store to go into for that getting it that day experience :P

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

north Briton insults already tut tut thought this was meant to be a friendly forum 

static games isnt any good for anything i want been awhile since i was in there but doubt i would ever go back 

yeah I use elemental games or troll trader on ebay for most of my gaming needs but be nice to have a store to go into for that getting it that day experience :P

 

No insult intended, just a friendly dig at our own expense  ;)

 

I hear what you're saying about having a bricks and mortar place to go, can be frustrating waiting of the postman's knock ... I've used both of those traders too, both very good. I'm fortunate that there is a fairly new shop (6s2hit) in the centre of Edinburgh, just 10 minutes walk from work, that caters for all my Planetfall needs: it also has a dozen or so gaming tables and terrain that are free to use. If you ever get through to the capital then I recommend you check it out.

 

P.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, it could always be worse... you could be a North American player, or worse NA Vanguard.

The wholesalers over here are ****, and you can never depend on a retailer to get anything Spartan in a timely manner. Try telling someone a release date and it passes without anyone having it.

That said, company is good and FSA & FSPF are great.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Feel somewhat blessed living in the UK at the moment (never thought I'd say that online!): it seems to be the centre of the gaming universe (sorry, bad pun  ;) ) these days with so many top games companies and manufacturers located here.

 

P.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One thing I have noticed is there is not alot of players to be honest I have never seen the game being played :(  and only real battle report vids I have seen is from a German group who do a mix of English and German reports and unboxings and fleet signals how to play planetfall.

THanks from "die grüne Horde"  ;-)

 

Videos are not that easy for a Company to do then for us as a hobbist, they would Need to be better then our Videos, and cater for all Systems, so it is a lot of effort for them.

 

We (hobbist) can basically Show what we like, at die Gruene Horde we are lucky to have a Player for every faction of planetfall by now (sorylian Player is catching up, so can do unboxings for all factions by now. At the other games, even if I have basically all core nations, we won't be able to do all boxes, due to the cost.

 

Greetings from die grüne Horde.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hahnc love the die gruene horde vids shame I didnt learn german :( (surprising considering have family in newmunster and my gran was german may she rest in peace)  but the english vids are good 

 

true it may seem easier for us hobbyists to do vids but feel like its a very big opportunity for any company in this market to increase sales and player base.  although I think the cost in time maybe the bigger factor for them but since i only want dystopian wars and planetfall dont mind if they leave the rest :P

 

Polyphemus dont worry never really took offence

edinburgh is a bit of a jaunt from helenburgh and parking in edinburgh is an utter pain although I do go through to edinburgh royal once in a while but time thats over really cant be annoyed going into town centre  but if I am over will give it a try.

 

still waiting on my starter sets royal mail 24 my butt lieing sods that they are.  So still not even managed to sit and play the game honestly never had this much of a struggle to get a game in my life lol sods law I suppose hasnt the game been out for over a year  ? 

 

to be honest this is the first time I have had any real trouble with getting anything spartan its a conspiracy I tell you lol 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Polyphemus dont worry never really took offence

edinburgh is a bit of a jaunt from helenburgh and parking in edinburgh is an utter pain although I do go through to edinburgh royal once in a while but time thats over really cant be annoyed going into town centre  but if I am over will give it a try.

 Ah, good man :)  what one man posts and thinks reads fine, another will read and infer something completely different...

 

I'd stay clear of the city just now anyway, what with the Festival and Fringe on at the moment, it's a bit of a bear pit all round.

 

P.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah wife's friend take part in the fringe

Think I am in Edinburgh next week

Just glued together the first box hmm i am not so sure about the models I don't know what it is they are nicely detailed but I didn't have the can't wait to paint these moment and I hate the connection of resin between the hull and barrels on the aquan models looks tacky.

The biggest let down is the troops the metal ones are fine the resin ones suffer so much from the point above they look like they are melded with the walls. Hmm game might not be for me after all. Comparing this to dystopian wars I just think dystopian wars (naval/air) is a bit better for me.

All this being said I am not saying the models are bad just it feels the wrong scale just something now that I have the models in hand just doesn't feel right this may make no sense but I so cant put my finger on it. The models don't inspire me like dystopian wars does ooh well nothing ventured nothing gained.

Just think if you have to force your self to bring your self to paint a model then there is no point.

Will try one or two games then prob put it in the forgotten part of the room

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I hate this time of year in Edinburgh! Don't get me wrong, it's a great set of events, and they bring a lot of kudos, culture, money, etc. to the city, but I have to work bang in the middle of it all ...

 

I don't play DW, but if I did, I'm not sure I'd be using that as a direct comparison as to whether or not I'd like Planetfall. Granted it may share similar game mechanics, but they are different games in their own right. I think you have to get a fair few games in before making any kind of decision. But I understand what you're saying re: getting an initial "feeling" for the game, but then I'm biased being a tester for it  ;)

 

As for the models, well that's very much a personal thing, isn't it: they're a totally different aesthetic from the DW range. 

 

P.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah must be a nightmare getting back and forth from work polyphenmus

 

not comparing it game wise to dystopian wars as haven't played a game of planet fall yet I am in a sense compare models on what looks better to me since its my money that paid for my models my opinion is everything different horses for different courses.  Will play planet fall a couple of times but if i dont like the models the game is a none starter lets face it we spend alot of time painting models if you dont like them then its pointless to paint them and I really hate playing with unpainted minis.

 

aah so you where a tester so its all your fault then :P at least we know who to blame.     

 

its the troops I hate and its the troops I want but looking through the helix's there is no troop helix's at all so more tanks and vehicles than troops just doesn't sit right with me in fact it kind of irritates me alot more than it should .

 

honestly think I will just stick with dystopian wars I think to be honest its all to do with the original epic it set the bar to high and haven't ever found a game to compete its like elite2  many many games have been along the same lines some better in graphis or in this case models  by huge margins but its just not anywhere near it and thats the best way I can describe it for me. 

 

ether way it just isnt for me lost me on model design A for effort but D for result   again this is just my personal tastes and shouldn't put anyone off or have anyone taking the hump and need to defend them.

 

so the boxes will be ether put in a corner somewhere or sold off shame but such is life

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah must be a nightmare getting back and forth from work polyphenmus

 

not comparing it game wise to dystopian wars as haven't played a game of planet fall yet I am in a sense compare models on what looks better to me since its my money that paid for my models my opinion is everything different horses for different courses.  Will play planet fall a couple of times but if i dont like the models the game is a none starter lets face it we spend alot of time painting models if you dont like them then its pointless to paint them and I really hate playing with unpainted minis.

 

aah so you where a tester so its all your fault then :P at least we know who to blame.     

 

its the troops I hate and its the troops I want but looking through the helix's there is no troop helix's at all so more tanks and vehicles than troops just doesn't sit right with me in fact it kind of irritates me alot more than it should .

 

honestly think I will just stick with dystopian wars I think to be honest its all to do with the original epic it set the bar to high and haven't ever found a game to compete its like elite2  many many games have been along the same lines some better in graphis or in this case models  by huge margins but its just not anywhere near it and thats the best way I can describe it for me. 

 

ether way it just isnt for me lost me on model design A for effort but D for result   again this is just my personal tastes and shouldn't put anyone off or have anyone taking the hump and need to defend them.

 

so the boxes will be ether put in a corner somewhere or sold off shame but such is life

 

Your entitled to your opinion and preferences.  But it would seem strange to me if a sci-fi game didn't have a higher vehicle to soldier ratio than a more contemporary or especially historical game setting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why would a sci-fi game have a higher vehicle count than troop or troop sized things count?

In any war troop count is far higher than vehicle count and will continue to be just in sci-fi it might be small man sized drones or armoured suits.

Let's face it people are cheap and expendable and in sci-fi talking countless worlds or if talking drones its cheaper to manufacture can get in human sized spaces hard to hit easily mobilised and provides greater stealth. More importantly sneaky.

Only real advantage tanks or such have is in big open spaces deserts, plains and the likes but citys, towns, factory's, jungles,Forrest's, mountains, underground facilities then people or small drones are king. Since things of any real importance or worth fighting for will be let's face it in the second set of places human or small drones are going to be needed in huge numbers. So troops will always outnumber vehicles there will be lots of APC type vehicles but then even they will not out number troops by any means.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's one of the key things I see about PF. Many will want to compare it to GW's work. Similar to FSA's comparison to BFG the closest you'll get to Planetfall is Epic in their line, but it does neither game a service. Comparing Firestorm to the similar scaled 40k games is like comparing a strawberry to a pineberry, they look similar but are almost completely different after that.

 

I've never played either Epic or BFG only their 28mm cousins, however I've spoken to a few that have and have skimmed the rules. Just to point out one major difference on BFG vs FSA since I brought it up. BFG practically runs at quarter speed compared to FSA, torpedos actually have to move like any other model when fired. So, a single volley could take 2-3 turns to impact. Ship to ship assaults are apparently key in BFG, whereas FSA it's nearly avoided. Ok enough about FSA and BFG, this is a PF thread.(There is a reason I brought it up though as you'll see.) Epic, like it's 28mm sibling, has alot of ground troops; meat grinders of troops. The second most commonly used elements seem to be the huge titans. What ties these two GW games together is more than their lore, the whole military mindset of both games is stuck in WW1/2. Firestorm on the other hand is much more modern combat; 'ships' maneuver to get a firing solution not to dodge/ mitigate already fired weapons, tanks are supported by troops more than the other way around, infantry perform a more urban/specwar CQB and security role rather than front line trench/napoleonic style fighting. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think bfg plays that way at all.

I can understand the irk at infantry under representation as imo most ground battles will be sieges/urban battles

However, tanks sell, especially at this scale

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, if you look at modern forces the number of infantry is decently accurate from my estimations.

 

Using US military numbers as I understand our divisions a wee bit better.

 

The US has ~2.5 million 'soldiers' including all commissioned and enlisted combat, support, etc personnel.

We have ~75 thousand small-medium non-naval combat vehicles (tanks/planes/etc)

 

Huge disparity, right?

2,500/75 ratio

 

Well, lets assume 2/3 of those military personnel are non-combat (Support) roles or naval crew: ~835k

835/75 ratio

 

On avg our combat vehicles have a 5 person crew, 5 x 75k = 375k. So ~460k ínfantry.

460/75 ratio

 

PF is an invasion/first strike game. First strike infantry are typically elite troops, the ~10% çream of the crop.

46/75 ratio

 

An infantry base in PF represents a fireteam roughly, where a vehicle base is one vehicle. Modern fireteams are typically 5-men, but they used to be ~10 and are still shrinking with the tactics and modern technology. Depending on the role in their section, 2-4 is an expected norm in the future from my understanding. Hence that number on the PF bases. So using current 5 man teams:

9.2/75 ratio

or

~3/25

 

So, in theory atleast, we should have a tiny smidge over 3 infantry bases per 25 non-infantry element bases. That ratio sounds about right averaged out between the races.

 

On BFG(and epic for that matter.: I'm going off what I've been told firsthand and grasp from skimming the rules.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sad to hear you feel that way about the models and no matter how much we all tell you you're wrong, it's obviously your opinion ;-)

 

Compared to the other 10mm sci-fi game...they are heads and shoulders above the toilet stick man style of them! :-D I'd have been really pee'd off if they were all just stood there in the open looking bored. Much prefer the action and engaged style of them.

 

Rules wise it's not 100% there yet but it's V1.0, a long way to go by any games standards. I find it depicts armoured combat really well and you can pull off epic flanking actions, massive armoured spearhead pushes, drop pod action, turns that end on a knife edge that can go down to who gets the next turn, desperate last stands of squadrons trying to hold objectives. Areas I think it will get better on and needs to is the infantry side of things - a little bit more options for their actions would be nice, similar to FoW - but who knows, that could even be a future expansion? Would be ace.

 

Video wise I know this is something Spartan are looking at and working on, however, they are a team of 30ish or less with a third of that dedicated to the studio/design/business end and the rest are model makers, casting, packing etc. Doing pro videos in depth is very time consuming. Also with Halo released, this has taken a huge portion of that workforce lately, and you can't blame them, it's an absolute amazing game and the rules are perfect IMO - they need to keep this level of professionalism up for their next original releases and do the same PR for it - they did a big Beasts of War spot. A word about that - the companies that get on that regularly PAY A LOT for the privilege and it may go against what Spartan believe in.  

 

Again it would be a huge shame if you don't give it a proper go. Go take a look at the hobby section to get some inspiration for painting, I've painted nearly 3 full armies now and can't get enough...then again I was massive C&C, Tiberian Sun, Total Annihilation, Supreme Commander and many other RTS games, fan, so this scale and design is perfection for me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.