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Don't forget those ships are mainly oriented for Invasion, so don't start making mathammer to know how they are competitive.

And I don't agree, Ichneumon could be usefull and are the escort we need instead of the Wolf : tough, 2 PD, 2 AP. In fact, for 25 pts, you have a nice late-game boarding force of 2AP, 4DR, 5CR, 3HP with cloaking field and difficult target (+ stealth system) which could be hard to but down. In fact, the worst part is that Drone Frigate already does a great job as a cheap late-game boarding force...

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I think there are some good uses for Cloaking frigates what don't have guns, haha. #1, you can hide your other frigates with them. Frigate shepherds. Or, the opposite! If you just need something that won't give battle log as easily as our other Frigates, you could move out of command distance and have them pulling something akin to the split-up Aegis strategy, giving Stealth to T1s so that you can skimp on points/hardpoints for those ships. They'd also be good for camping objectives in Recover or the waypoints in the Hold the Waypoints missions.

I have uses for the Cotesia, haha, but I won't bore you with that. The Assault Carrier is the most interesting entry to me. Not sure what exactly I'll do with it, but by gum I'll think of something.

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The Assault Carrrier is a gem. It's cheap when decked out, never needs to uncloak, and can swing Bombers insane distances (or even reach outside the Stealth Systems bubble with Fighters)

Cotesia -can- be good.

Ichneumon are stupidly good in certain scenarios and can be used for really strange fleet lists, but you really have to have a reason to take them. You really can't expect them to contribute without a specific contribution in mind.

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Only one real way to build it for non Planetfall- Remove Planetfall-add Wings/Quick Launch, Stealth Systems, and from there you really don't have to accompany them. The real threat they give is longer range SRS mixed with never having to decloak- that's stupidly tough to deal with. Theoretically, with Fighters you can reach -out- of Stealth range, which is... Bonkers. Assault Shuttles are a cool option, as they get enough range to be useful plus with accompaniments you can match the 12 point token assault.

It's a good place to hide an Admiral, to boot.

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I use the assault carrier as a floating brick for my admiral, that grants stealth to the new torp frigates.  No one wants to get close because they have a hard time hurting the carrier, and they can't stay far due to 14ADx1 or 8ADx2 or 6ADx3 torp salvos - Depending on my target.  It's not impossible to deal with obviously, but it's not too easy either.

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