Jump to content
ElectricPaladin

Sorylian Bastion Fleet Speculation

Recommended Posts

Let's get it on.

 

Here is what we know:

 

1) The ships look like this: 

 

11233090_450204258480652_865838535609130

 

2) The ships are called:

  • Amentum Class Battlecruisers
  • Katar-Class Assault Cruisers
  • Corvus Class Frigates

 

3) And for what it's worth:

 

  • "Amentum" was a leather strap that increased the range of a thrown javelin.
  • "Katar"is an Indian punch-dagger.
  • "Corvus" is a genus of birds that includes ravens and crows, a boarding device used by the Roman navy, and a constellation in the Southern hemisphere.

 

So. What do you think? I have my own suspicions, but I don't want this thread to be the ElectricPaladin show, and I'd love to read some other guesses before I begin.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You are all lame. I'll go ahead and comment.

 

In general, none of the models look particularly well-armed - that is to say, they lack the distinctive Sorylian scatter gun barrels on their flanks. This renders them distinct from the Terran, Dindrenzi, Directorate, and Aquan ships (it's hard to say on the Relthoza models...), all of which seem to have a pretty typical number of turrets/railguns/gun racks/beam emitter thingies. This seems to imply an assault role rather than an artillery role

 

The new battlecruisers have structures at the front that might be scatter guns, a la the scatter guns on the falx. They also might be fore fixed kinetic weapons. The amentums also have a sort of bay-door structure on their flanks (similar to the structure on the katars), which may imply that they can land or enter low orbit to deliver Planetfall troops and may have a primarily assault role in Armada games. If the name means anything - which it might not - the name "amentum" could also imply a focus on a forward-facing long-range weapon. It wouldn't surprise me if these railguns - if they are, in fact, railguns - mean that the amentums have a planetary bombardment role as well. 

 

The katar-class assault cruisers also seem to have large bay doors - or something - on their flanks, which seems to imply that they are going to be our troop ships. The "assault carrier" role may suggest that they carry assault troops for Planetfall games which they can also use to board enemy ships in Armada games. The katars seem to also have forward weapons and few - if any - broadside weapons. This focus on forward firepower is also in line with the name "katar," as the Indian punch-dagger is a primarily stabbing/piercing weapon.

 

The corvus frigates, on the other hand, don't seem to have any weapons at all. If anything, they look kind of like the escorts... which is interesting. Between the lack of weapons and the name, it's possible that they are some kind of fleet point defense, meant to help counteract enemy SRS with some combination of unusually high PD for T3s and some supportive MARs, like Bigger Batteries or maybe even Point Defense Barrage (wouldn't that be interesting - small ships with no guns capable of taking on enemy larges and mediums, but ridiculous PD scores, Bigger Batteries, and Point Defense Barrage - frankly, if anyone could take advantage of that, it would be the Sorylians, given that our existing frigates are already up-gunned enough that they can take down cruisers, a squadron dedicated to taking on SRS and T3s wouldn't be entirely out of place). Naming them after a bit of Roman boarding technology implies that they have also got a primarily boarding assault role, though the lack of large bay doors may suggest that they do not contribute to delivering troops for interaction with Planetfall.

 

So, do any of you Spartans want to drop in and tell me how close I am?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I believe it has been hinted those round drums on the bottom of the assault and Battlecruisers are drop pods.

I'm suspecting these ships will be designed to whether a lot of damage but really on boarding assaults and fixed fore weapons for their offensive ability.

I hope you're right about the frigates being SRS hunters. I would really like to improve our defense against SRS without resorting to just using more SRS ourselves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 'Amentum' part for increasing range could mean it has the MAR that increases boarding range (Launch Tubes?) so a pair of them Shunting in outside of 8 inches still means they can board.

 

The Katar seem to have smaller engine sections than other Cruiser sized ships in the Sorylian fleet (lacking the engine sections you glue onto the skyhammer for example, the Amentum has three of them) so might be lacking in straight line speed but seems to have the same front gun section as the heavy cruisers. Slower with a bigger front gun on an assault cruiser seems somewhat counterproductive, but perhaps they have something similar to ARTs (sans the cyberwarfare) or Launch Tubes from the front - drive straight at the enemy blasting holes in their hull and then slamming boarders through the breached hull. A new MAR like some of the ships in RotO had. Prepping the target for boarding by removing some CP then capturing them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First off, OMFG these ships are AMAZING looking!

 

Now, from the looks of them it seems to suggest less combat role and more defensive role. The larger armor sections on these ships scream defense above all else. As such, I don't think you're getting a lot of damage output in the form of weapons. Likely we're looking at more of a bombardment/troop carrier fleet. Probably plenty of assault point and maybe some few assault tricks. However I sincerely doubt we are going to step on the toes of veydreth roles much (aggressiveness). So we're probably looking at more survivable assault points but not as much damage.

 

The email also states something about 6 fleet commanders. I am thinking we're getting our first OPS centre ships.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, I just read that in the General Discussion thread. Serves me right for reading about the best faction before reading the main discussion thread :P

 

Edit: Heh, you can probably do a decent conversion out of the Warwolf pontoons into the assault cruiser methinks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

*sigh* My poor, poor wallet...

I love the look of the ships. Mostly. The frigates look a bit like flying lipsticks but aside from that I'm sure that a great paintjob* will make them look awesome as usual.

*it is unlikely to be mine

Edit: Just noticed that the BCs have 3 engine pods, the standard ones only have 2. Maybe they go faster? Also the cruisers seem not to have the side-mounted engines, they look sleeker but maybe by the same token they are slower?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm a bit disappointed to hear the frigates will be exclusively functional as transports.  I was really hoping they would provide SRS screening which would be useful for both invasion and more traditional confrontations.

 

Overall still very excited though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 I can't even bring myself into rule/role speculating yet, to psyched about the models.. Never cared for the frigate model  but love the escort and have been trying to convince myself getting enough escorts to fill that role was worth the overseas postage. Problem solved with the Corvus !  Well hello Hasta replacement model  !  :)  Not very gunny looking [ call those bay doors closed gun ports ;)  ] but the Katar would make a nice heavy cruiser model if you want something less similar looking to the normal cruisers

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm a bit disappointed to hear the frigates will be exclusively functional as transports. I was really hoping they would provide SRS screening which would be useful for both invasion and more traditional confrontations.

Overall still very excited though.

Who says they do not have good PD to screen with?

Why does everything need SRS to stop SRS?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Who says they do not have good PD to screen with?

Why does everything need SRS to stop SRS?

I genuinely hope you're right. I'm basing my comment on Spartan Alex saying the frigates were troop transports and not going to be as useful outside of Invasion scenarios. I'm hoping that was a broad generalization about the Invasion Fleets overall and that the Corvus will actually function more like the Kontos but as seperate Tier 3 squadron. A Squadron with no offense ability other than 18-24PD and a good AP value might not appeal to most fleets but in a Sorylian Fleet it would be a beautiful thing (even more so with PD barrage).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As dedicated assault ships count on them to have second assault even directly or by an option (and probably launch tubes) and options to increase AP even more. Special forces probably indicate the presence of Sorylian Kul'vok (heavy) infantry.

 

I´m guessing the ships will have special options to be used only in planetfall scenarios and maybe other ships that we already know (like the regular carrier) could be modified to have those planetfall focused options.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As dedicated assault ships count on them to have second assault even directly or by an option (and probably launch tubes) and options to increase AP even more. Special forces probably indicate the presence of Sorylian Kul'vok (heavy) infantry.

 

I´m guessing the ships will have special options to be used only in planetfall scenarios and maybe other ships that we already know (like the regular carrier) could be modified to have those planetfall focused options.

 

Check out the main "New Ships" thread. Some of your thoughts are confirmed and/or refuted there.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To repeat some things learned on the other thread:

 

  • These ships will have special MARs related to their role as troop transports. Two of these MARs have been named: "Planetfall" and "Durable."
  • Some of their hardpoints will include the option to trade in some of these MARs (and, potentially, otherwise alter their stats) to make them useful in other contexts - these options will resemble the Corsairs "add this, lose that" hardpoints.

 

Two more things to note:

 

  • The product description calls all the Sorylian ships "fast, rugged, and reliable..." which seems to indicate good DR/CR scores, many HPs, and special rules that mitigate damage points or critical effects.
  • In most of the invasion fleet descriptions, the T3 option is described as a dedicated planetary assault craft, rarely seen on the battlefield if the goal is not invasion (the Aquan and Directorate descriptions clearly relegate their new T3 to a troop transport role, the Relthozan T3 isn't entirely clear, and the Dindrenzi and Terran descriptions are ambiguous). However, the text of the Sorylian fleet - "...these ships are often found in the regular fleet formations..." does not in any way specify that the Corvus-class frigate is a dedicated troop carrier. This implies that unlike the other new T3s, it may be inherently useful - or upgradable to become useful - in ordinary Armada games.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another thing - whereas all our previous ships have had either rounded or flat sides, the T2 and T1 ships here appear to have slanted sides, that cover the wider parts underneath diagonally instead of vertically. That is something of a new angle (pardon the pun) in design.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

SPARTAN Alex said this:

Friendly point @Scarlet, please reign it in or we'll have to have private words...this is Spartan's playground and people who start bad-mouthing entire product lines tend not to do well here. you may not like Planetfall and that's your right, but your opinion on Planetfall is entirely that, and it's impolite to say the least to voice it in this way here. We want everyone to have a voice here, so ensure yours stays audible by making any points you wish to in a calm and reasoned manner please.

@ElectricPaladin - you may well be onto something there ;-)

Something like;

0-1: +2 Wing Capacity, Remove the Planetfall MAR +5

It shows us you can buy off the Planetfall MAR through the purchase of a Hardpoint, to make a ship more combat oriented.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hmm, seems weird that it would have to pay to lose something. Either way, I trust Spartan to make this work well :)

 

I think the way it's going to work is this:

  • The ships come equipped with MARs and stats consistent with their role in invasion scenarios.
  • You don't really pay for those MARs, because the assumption is that you are stuck with the ships as your only option to participate in the scenario (ie. the ships are going to be quite lousy for non-invasion games, but also cheap, so you can build your list around achieving planetfall).
  • Because these MARs are no good in a "normal" game of Armada, you've got pay points to trade up for MARs and stat boosts that make the ships useful - the result will be a ship that's (probably) significantly more expensive, but not necessarily more expensive than other ships of its class.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.