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Your right about the french thou, they defiantly need hitting with the nerf bat. No one turned up with coa at the tournament which I was more than surprised with, but I think everyone had their torches and pitchforks at the ready :P

 

Arnt drones supposed to be inferior to manned planes? lore wise that is.

 

and I hope ur not branding me with the same brush as the dirty french player :D I at least have Britannians, somewhere.

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Nazduruk_Bugzappa,

 

I hate be a doubting nancy, but most of the efforts we see come from Spartan and the playtesters lately is to overreact to something, and completely hammer it into the ground.  So if you guys nerf the hell out of drones, and don't fix the other large and massives then you will have made the fleet terrible to play.    I would bet that is what is going to happen.  Everytime we have a good ship or something that works, you guys keep chipping away at it.   Most of the last update you did for COA made no sense.   Plutarch going up, Fresnels getting a price increase and less ad, Fleet Carrier cost raised so much no wants to field it.

 

The real question is once you nerf the drones, are you going to take some of the ships that went up in cost back down.  I would bet the answer is No.

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Its ironic really, i agreed with you mostly on the PA.....and even suggested an alternative being able to fire a focused beam. I agreed with you about the COA larges, and i half agreed about drones maybe being the COA way ( dont agree with the ability to spam 40 though ) yet you still attack back, charachter assassinating because I play French..... did i mention the French in my post.....no

hold on boys we have an a computer chair warrior here.

I was more alarmed by the fact you singled out one person in this thread and aimed it at him, when there are pages and pages of similar thoughts and opinions.

but I can see thats how you roll...how big of you.

Lets keep this on topic and not how OP my french fleet is please

( on an unrelated note my French are now on the shelf so i can focus on Raj and Russia - me winning a tournament with a good list - heavens forbid i turn up and try to win....like the other 15 people with good lists themselves. Do us a favour and crawl back under your rock )

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These forums normally have a positive and constructive tone, without personal attacks. It would be good if everyone remembered that. Thank you. :(

 

If people have concerns about balance, then I will repeat myself.  Loose complaints that XXX is useless or YYY is overpowered are no use.  Please play games using the units, write them up well with photos if possible,  and give us more data to work with. There are dozens of factions and hundreds of units in this game, so balancing stuff doesn't happen overnight. It is in progress, but we can always use more data.

 

James

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Many of the "problems" (in each fleet) are currently being addressed.

My NDA won't let me go into details, but they are being dealt with.

 

Instead of an NDA, Spartan should require you to tell one plausible false rumour for every true one you reveal, and give no indication of which is correct.

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I will chime in here and back Naz on this. We are trying to balance certain things. However balance does mean good if you take one but not overpowering if you field 7 :P not really the easiest thing to do.

On a further I will say that the Beta group do not see all the changes, sometimes we are as suprised as you :o in these instances we have to work after the fact.

Saying that any play data that you give will give us insight and help us see the meta that you are all playing.

Sara

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Instead of an NDA, Spartan should require you to tell one plausible false rumour for every true one you reveal, and give no indication of which is correct.

Then they can lean back and cackle at the chaos they cause like the cruel super villains they are. :P

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Instead of an NDA, Spartan should require you to tell one plausible false rumour for every true one you reveal, and give no indication of which is correct.

 

 

How about the two false rumors to one plausible maybe rumor? :ph34r:

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I just said they had to tell one false for every true. Not that they couldn't just lie constantly.

I like you Sebenko, you are a mean spirited sort of person :D .

 

I would also like to add my request that we keep these threads free from acidity.  As a long time tabletop player (the one that shall not be named) I am truly sick of the level of bile that gets thrown around some sites and very thankful of the positive attitude these forums tend to have.  We can disagree with each other, and we can get fed up with each other, but we are all here because we enjoy the games and want them fun.  Lets all keep our comments above the belt, even if we need to take a breather before replying.

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We vetoed the idea of creating a small device with a 9 volt battery and a capacitor that electrocuted the Covernant player each time they rolled a 1 for inventive scientists.... :Psome nonsense about lawyers and it technically prohibiting a ban on the export of devices used for torture.

 

 

Seriously, deliberately trolling people with false information wouldn't be good, and we absolutely definitely will not do it at all. :ph34r: :ph34r:

 

 

James

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We vetoed the idea of creating a small device with a 9 volt battery and a capacitor that electrocuted the Covernant player each time they rolled a 1 for inventive scientists.... :Psome nonsense about lawyers and it technically prohibiting a ban on the export of devices used for torture.

 

 

Seriously, deliberately trolling people with false information wouldn't be good, and we absolutely definitely will not do it at all. :ph34r: :ph34r:

 

 

James

I've played some games against Farcages in which my inventive scientist rolls neared 100%  1's.  :'(

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New to actual playing 3 games last weekend and only 2 prior to that in previous month i looked at new orbats and found my escort was missing its attachment - since i only have minimal coa i see escorts as assisting my largeer ships.

Main point in relation to subject - Is the missing mar accurate or a typo - does our only escort have the attachment mar or not.

I played a 750 list

Diophantus w/ increased drones and mine controller

Aristole w/ disruption generator, energy turrets ( didnt take painter as no weapons system to use with)

Hippasus w/ energy turrets and teleport ( just to raise points)

Thales x 3

Galen x 5 as escorts for both larges

SAS used as CAP

Of 3 games - 1 full win and 2 draws (points close over 50%) and order not quiet achieved in time

would like to know any tactics with above fleet - never lost any large in either games

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I was observer to a 1250 game of drones list annihilate a russian player last night....we all drew the same conclusions, even the COA player.....utterly broken. It was a case that the Russian player had activated all his squadrons before the COA player had finished his drones, meaning his ships could move how they wanted without fear of any reprisal. Im sure it was about 10 squadrons of SAS all 4 or 5 strong......

how this type of list has been allowed through design and playtesting is baffling..... hopefully some balance will come soon.

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I was observer to a 1250 game of drones list annihilate a russian player last night....we all drew the same conclusions, even the COA player.....utterly broken. It was a case that the Russian player had activated all his squadrons before the COA player had finished his drones, meaning his ships could move how they wanted without fear of any reprisal. Im sure it was about 10 squadrons of SAS all 4 or 5 strong......

how this type of list has been allowed through design and playtesting is baffling..... hopefully some balance will come soon.

 

I'm rather curious as to why everybody is complaining about this. I mean, sure, it's not fun to play nor play against, but I think every faction can more or less reach similar levels of SAS spam.

 

Take the FSA, for example. The Saratoga is a 125 point Fleet Carrier. Almost half as cheap as a Diophanthus and a whole 55 points cheaper than the Pericles.

 

Sure, you could argue that the CoA can recycle their squadrons, but a traditional carrier in a good spot can do the same, to a far higher level of planes.

 

My real concern is that the focus of the CoA seems to be shifting towards drones in their entirety. Our best units are all drone launchers, and the other options are really quite lackluster, so to speak. 

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Until then, the Armoured game still provides viable options for CoA lists that don't feel like they've gimped themselves by not using drone spam.

 

My last game's sandworm near insta-gibbing a Miagea-Nyudo with a well placed ram certaintly showed that!

 

The Archimedes is great, as is the sandworm, while the mobile airfield is somewhat of a specialised choice for a higher cost. I think CoA naval could take a leaf out of the Armoured section of the book.

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I'm rather curious as to why everybody is complaining about this. I mean, sure, it's not fun to play nor play against, but I think every faction can more or less reach similar levels of SAS spam.

 

Take the FSA, for example. The Saratoga is a 125 point Fleet Carrier. Almost half as cheap as a Diophanthus and a whole 55 points cheaper than the Pericles.

 

Sure, you could argue that the CoA can recycle their squadrons, but a traditional carrier in a good spot can do the same, to a far higher level of planes.

 

My real concern is that the focus of the CoA seems to be shifting towards drones in their entirety. Our best units are all drone launchers, and the other options are really quite lackluster, so to speak. 

 

The issue is that, although Nations can match the same levels of SAS spam, with exception of maybe Prussia, nobody can do it effectively.

Fleet Carriers tend to be just carriers , and little else in terms of guns ( Elbe is an exception ) certainly not to the extent of the COA. The Diophantus is still very well armed, as is the Euclid and both can be carrier (9) 

 

the list I saw had 47 SAS

 

my fleets I have at home are EOTBS and RoF - in  order for me to get close id need to pay 900 and 1020 out of 1250, of which are all larges , so cant be done 

and even If I could it would be a very very unbalanced and sub optimal list 

 

I agree with you though - all the best units also tend to be drone launchers

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I'm rather curious as to why everybody is complaining about this. I mean, sure, it's not fun to play nor play against, but I think every faction can more or less reach similar levels of SAS spam.

Take the FSA, for example. The Saratoga is a 125 point Fleet Carrier. Almost half as cheap as a Diophanthus and a whole 55 points cheaper than the Pericles.

Sure, you could argue that the CoA can recycle their squadrons, but a traditional carrier in a good spot can do the same, to a far higher level of planes.

My real concern is that the focus of the CoA seems to be shifting towards drones in their entirety. Our best units are all drone launchers, and the other options are really quite lackluster, so to speak.

It is not the number of drones that is the absolute problem, they also get the following.

1. easy recycling: while others can recycle the CoA do it without fantastic positioning. Add to this the fact they can even if you kill all 5 and bonus.

2. Swarm tactics: ok CF get this too but it really is a fantastic Mar basically giving you a 6 strong wing with 5 wounds.

3. Repositioning: this links in with the respawn. Need some SAW on the other side of the board? Attack run a small and respawn from a carrier over there.

Combine these together and they are VERY hard to counter.

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