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Unofficial Republique of France Expanded Orbat

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I really want to get more use out of my Republique of France troops but I find that they don't tend to match up with the more established armies.

 

To that end I've developed an expanded Orbat for the existing models that provides more flexibility in using the Legionnaires which closely follows the formats of other Orbats.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/view/vcid5xi255mbdjo/Revised_French_Orbat_(Unofficial).pdf

 

I haven't included attempts at other units but I was considering the following:

 

Use Black Wolf Mercenaries  as the Elite Option.

 

Mercantour Truck:  Type - Armoured Truck, Armour - 5/4/2, HP - 2, Open Topped, Transport 10

 

Wasn't sure about the Field Gun and Horst F-12 Tank but I suppose they would be easy enough to sort out.

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Seems pretty reasonable to me that this will be what it's like in the Offical ORBAT. It has been a small issue lately in our games that, for instance, it's not technically legal at the moment to take a French HMG without taking it in a 6 man squad.

 

One thing which might be worth considering is that it's probable that a Legionnaire Assault Section would automatically come with Flashbangs free of charge.

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Yeh, the closest you can get at the moment is taking the full squad including a musician (easy enough to convert) and splitting off 2 Legionnaires and the HMG into a fireteam leaving a second 6 man fireteam.

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Well my French are put together and ready to be painted (not my favourite part of the hobby).

 

I've been reading the forum while putting them together and I really liked some of the speculation on possible French troops.

 

Love the idea of a Zouave Elite Infantry Unit. I see them as Close Combat Infantry armed with Combat Shotguns (partly because its easy to convert a double barrelled shotgun from any rifle). I just bought a couple of the Perry Sprues from EBay so that I can convert some.

 

I also liked the ides of a Cuirassier unit. I see them as being similar to the Blazing Sun Steambikes but on an armoured horse style skimmer. I might have a go at converting some from the armoured Empire Horses, some engine parts from my bits box and a couple of Napoleonic Cuirassiers.

 

Spotted this 1/43 Corgi Classic Renault Truck going for a few pounds on EBay. Thought it might make a good Mercantour Truck if I added some plasticard Armour Plates to cover the Cab and build up the rear section.

 

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First attempt at a Zouave unit is a bust.

 

The Perry plastics would have been ideal but the scale is too small to be compatible with the Spartan figures.

 

Spartan figures seem to be 30mm from ground to eye-level while Perry's Zouaves are 27-28mm.

 

This also means that Foundry Zouaves aren't compatible either as they mix well with Perry's.

 

Oh well I'll just have to keep looking.

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Your updated Orbat does look pretty good. You are much better than I am at graphical design. I would not have been able to figure out how to make more pages for the orbat or new units in there.

Yes, the standard historical/steampunk models available are generally smaller than Spartans. Whether they meant this to disallow us from using cheaper sources of models or not I don't know. I do know that I like the size of the DL models more than the smaller historical models and the detail that is possible.

Historical models are generally true scale 28mm while the DL models are close to true scale but are designed at 32mm scale.

Largely though I've been avoiding posting here because I know to much, and it's going to be very hard to respond without breaking any NDAs regarding the full RoF that will be coming whenever Spartan decides to release the army to us.

I really do like the idea of Zouaves in the army. While the Zouaves in real life were really nothing more than light infantry, I do like the Zouaves being a melee unit because the Legionnaires and Armored Marines are very vulnerable to it.

I see that with the shotguns they will have 2RED and 2 BLACK MAD each on the charge. They could be very good, but they are very expensive and more or less a one trick pony.

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When designing units myself without a strong baseline to use I tend to overcost them slightly as I feel this is compensated for by the additional options allowed in the Orbat.

 

I'm quite willing to drop my custom units as soon as the Official Orbat and models are available. In fact the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.

 

However, given the release schedule for other games and the re-packaging of the other forces still required I'm not sure when we can expect new units for France. etc.

 

I was looking at Renegade Miniatures ACW Zouaves since their models are quite large but wasn't overly impressed with the sculpts. Still it might be an idea.

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I appreciate the idea to err on the side of overcosting a new unit, but I think the Black Watch are a good baseline. They are also in an army whose basic infantry are poor in melee, they have very similar MAD potential with three MAD and Brutal Charge, but they also have the standard 32" range rifles, and are only 30 points.

For the Zouaves, I don't think that they should be as hardy as having Steadfast. They should be brave men, but their bravery is more represented by wearing loose clothing and running into close range against very deadly enemies.

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Speaking of, I'd still love to see how you structure the rest of the RoF orbat. The Zouaves are a good start, and I agree that I was thinking from a long time ago (as evidenced by the other brainstorming thread) that I thought Cuirassier would be cool... But I really don't think that the idea of hovering horses would be good looking. It just seems like it would look to cheesy.

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I gave them Steadfast as I wanted them to be a little more elite than just an extra line unit and with regard to cost the Black Watch are 30 for Regulars but 40 for Veterans. Since the Zouaves entry I've done are Veterans I costed them at 40 rather than 30.

 

I did a mock-up of the Cuirassier and I agree it did look cheesy. My original thoughts were for Robotic horses but really had difficulty finding an appropriate model.

 

Will keep looking though.

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I understand that they are the equivalent to Veteran Black Watch, but I think you are missing the point that Black Watch have the option to be fielded for 30 p/model with almost no penalty, while the Zouaves force you to spend 33% more for a very negligible bonus.

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The only robotic horse model that I know of is from the company that must not be named... But as it's a character model I think it would be to expensive to want to buy in pieces to build a unit from.

I think it would just look better as basically just jetbikes.

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@SteRT- Now Spartan has finally released the updated RoF orbat. The force now has the alternate Legionnaire builds and updated Marines.

I'd like to bring to everyones attention that the Legionnaire section size has changed to 6-10 and we no longer have a fighting musician.

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Not sure I like this.

 

The command Section can't take any specialists;

 

but more importantly the Legionnaire Battle Section (the ONLY Line 1 choice available) doesn't have an entry for a LMG specialist (presumably this has to be a mistake otherwise you couldn't field a full squad from the starter box).

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Not sure I like this.

 

The command Section can't take any specialists;

 

but more importantly the Legionnaire Battle Section (the ONLY Line 1 choice available) doesn't have an entry for a LMG specialist (presumably this has to be a mistake otherwise you couldn't field a full squad from the starter box).

Yes I'm unsure about this decision too. Especially in the case of the RoF it means that until such time as the new style command boxes are released it's going to be a bit tricky to play RoF with a decent sized Officer's staff. Probably only temporary, but still a bit limiting for the time being.

 

I'm surprised that the Legionnaire Assault Section is now the only one that can take LMGs. Incidentally, the HMG line section has the stats for an LMG Legionnaire even though they can't take them, and everything's been resized to make room even though there's a whole stat line present that doesn't need to be there.

 

Got to take the rough with the smooth though, and speaking of smooth the changes for the Armoured Marines sound like they might be just what the doctor ordered. Previously it was a bit awkward having an anti-armour unit in an army which was only really playable at game sizes where the likelihood of much armour was pretty low. They seem a bit more versatile now.

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The change to Officer Sections was quite deliberate (and carried through all the Nations).

 

The decision to place the LMGs in the Assault Section was taken for several reasons, but the two key ones were a) To create a distinctive feel for the Assault Section, and b ) to make sure that the sections were more appropriately balanced against those of the other nations.

 

With the potential to take 2 Boisets and a HMG, which could be peeled off into a Supporting Fire Team if a player decided to take that route, the Battle Section has a different focus in terms of the role it can play within the French force.  Thematically it is also the baseline - fewer bells and whistles, it is the backbone section of a force.

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I understand wanting to give the battle and assault variants a different feel but the point remains that as it stands the LMG has become superfluous.

 

Suppose a person buys a copy of Codename Iron Scorpion:

 

You have to take a Battle section for your Line 1 option, this is a minimum of 6 models therefore from the 10 Legionnaire models (incl HMG) you do not have enough to field an assault section as well.

 

You are therefore unable to use the LMG model. 

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This is why I'm glad I got Legionnaires in my Iron Scorpion pre-order upgrade. I'll be able to easily swap one of my LMG models with a riflemen from the other section to form one Battle section and one Assault section.

 

I suppose once RoF gets one of the new-style Infantry boxes it'll be possible to take that as the Battle section and the Iron Scorpion models as an Assault section.

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I really cannot wait for people to be able to actually play games with the RoF. I've attempted to play games with the available models, and I really don't think it's possible without severely handicapping everyone playing.

Sadly it appears that IMO the RoF really won't be able to be played legitimately until July/August at the earliest... It always astounds me why Spartan decided it was wise to release the 2.0 book and 2 player starter box with two brand new armies when they should have known they were going to be devoting essentially all of their resources to making sure Planetfall can be successful and still regularly supporting their two big naval games. And while I know that Halo is not manufactured on site, it had to eat up executive time and game designers...

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I really cannot wait for people to be able to actually play games with the RoF. I've attempted to play games with the available models, and I really don't think it's possible without severely handicapping everyone playing.

One of the reasons I think France has lost in both games I've played involving them (once with them, once against) is because Armoured Marines are anti-ironclad sections in an army which is currently basically limited to game sizes where few if any ironclads are present. While I like the section in general, it's a bit strange that they were included in a 2 player set that doesn't feature any ironclads whatsoever.

 

Then again they're a bit better now aren't they? With higher Move and Suppression weapons.

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I've played many games with them. While they are slightly better with the increased LR RAD and Suppression, they are still extremely expensive, very short ranged, and very vulnerable to melee.

In general I'm sad that I'm thinking of just dropping mine from my list and just making due with Assault Legionnaires, but they are less vulnerable, more flexible, and although it will be a drop in IAD they are still capable.

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I bought 2 copies of Iron Scorpion (having lucked out getting my second copy second hand at a considerable discount). I had thought to field command squads and a battle squad backed up with 2 Squads of Armoured Marines.

 

I pretty much have to go with Unescorted Officers, Battle Squad, Assault Squad and 1 Armoured Marines now.

 

Which means I have a squad of Armoured Marines that are no use unless I end up playing multiple platoon games. 

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