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Hello folks!

 

Been a while since I posted...well anything in the forums. Been tied up with projects and deadlines, and family commitments.

Anyways, finally got around to schedule a game tomorrow to get me back on the swing of things.

 

Decided on 1500, cause we wanna go big...also imposed a rule on myself to never take the same units 2 games in a row, barring only 1-2 squads.

 

so with that:

 

1500 pts.

 

Large/Massive:

 

Moskva Dreadnought

 - Target Jammer Gen Upgrade

Kostroma Fleet carrier

 - Glacier Gen Upgrade

 

Medium:

 

Azov Battlecruiser

Azov Battlecruiser

3x Suvorov Cruiser

 - Crew Upgrade

3x Chany Assault Subs

2x Krichev Heavy Bombers

 

Small:

 

4x Novgorod Frigates

4x Novgorod Frigates

 

SAS

 

5x Fighters LAS

5x Fighters LAS

5x Dive Bombers (Kostroma)

4x Dive Bombers (Kostroma)

3x Fighters SS (Krichev)

3x Fighters SS (Krichev)

 

Some logic in my choices:

  • Dreadnought is in cause I always want to field this baby.
  • Kostroma to bring down more SAS for activation delay, and also as a field escort for my smalls. Broadsides anything that may flank, tossing 11 - 13 AD at anything that comes close.
  • 2x Azovs, cause each is basically the same as a 1 Large in fire power. Fairly squishy as RC goes, but still a solid fire base, and still dangerousin its own right.
  • 3x Suvorovs cause the last time I fielded these is a year or so ago. Crew upgrade as 15 pts point filler. I expect these to fall under heavy fire, but I'll be fielding them as a Vanguard to bully (read ram) smalls and duel mediums, will force movement denial if i deem them doomed.
  • Chanys cause they're new, and their Pack Tactics +2 sounds nasty as heck. 
  • Krichev  cause they're new, and 8 dice on 3 bomb bays (24 Concussive AD) sounds more nasty as heck than the one above. Will be less maneuverable though, so I need to keep their deployment in mind, as they'll be less likely to react quickly if trouble arises on another side of the board.
  • Novgorods are good, dont leave home without them. Will be my max 2 squads that i will always bring as per my personal rule.
  • 25 SAS total is awesome, No need for Recce, as I have 8 models with spotter anyways, plus mortars are non-existent in my list. 
  • Going medium heavy as most of our more interesting toys are in the medium slot, plus I'm juuuuust under the 60% max for mediums hehehe (55%)

 

So with that, does anyone have any experience with the new Heavy bomber and assault subs? Any tips?

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They pretty much future proofed the rules when they added that concentrated bombing (and many other things) can use Standard, Linked, and Combined firing options.  Basically concentrated bombing can combine as long as the model has a rule (MAR, specialist weapon, anything) that allows the model to do so.  Aside from dive bomber SAS which always combine I do not know of any other bomber that is able to. 

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Your smalls are seriously lacking. At that game size, it won't take much to kill them off - and since there is a one in three chance of your opponent pulling the smalls objective, the only way to protect them is to hide them, and that's not guaranteed.

With your larges, my personal doctrine is to have one per 500 pts up to 2000, but since it's the dreadnought, you might be able to get away with it.

And on that large note, I also note the air support is fairly limited - is that a choice you made in the list? Because you could probably swap out an Azov and Kirchev and get a Tunguska, which is a "go hard or go home" aerial unit. That or some Sarnaks.

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Your smalls are seriously lacking. At that game size, it won't take much to kill them off - and since there is a one in three chance of your opponent pulling the smalls objective, the only way to protect them is to hide them, and that's not guaranteed.

With your larges, my personal doctrine is to have one per 500 pts up to 2000, but since it's the dreadnought, you might be able to get away with it.

And on that large note, I also note the air support is fairly limited - is that a choice you made in the list? Because you could probably swap out an Azov and Kirchev and get a Tunguska, which is a "go hard or go home" aerial unit. That or some Sarnaks.

 

Yes, I will be gambling with my opponent on my small choices. he has a 33% chance to either pull the order or pull the commodore's discretion it, so I'll need to play to take this into account. I'm forcing order Saturation on him, as if he goes, Medium/Large/Commodore/70%, he's gonna go guns blazing and kill me to a man, which would mean a good deal of his own force is dead/prized. If he does go for the small, I'll just run them around and bully some smalls or just hide them in icebergs.

 

(Mag explosions will quickly ruin my plans...yes...yes it would)

 

The only change to my smalls is that I don't field the Kazimovs or the Rostovs (so my smalls, aren't really that many anyways)....which reminds me....kinda want to field the Nikels at some point.

 

The Tunguska and Saransks are exceptional H&A's for any RC list, but I wanted to try the Krichevs, as they are a new purchase for me. Hardy little buggers, but I have enough fighters on the board to support them. Just have to run them around carefully.

 

I typically go Khatang/Dudinka on my lists, but fielding the dread and the Kostroma at least once is the goal of this game other than testing the new guys.

 

I like going Medium heavy actually, diversifies my frontline and midfields with tough support and gunships. 

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The Krichevs were awesome...Battleships in the freaking sky! The fore guns left more to be desired, but man those bomb bays kicked butt. The Chanys were...ok. Kinda a bad idea when I fielded them against Italians..."oh yeah...torpedoes <facepalm>"...more testing needed.

 

So I have another game incoming (Thursday, July 2), and its gonna be my first ever Armoured game.

Gotta be honest, i have no idea how RC armour works, but if its similar to Naval, "Point-Shoot-Kill" then i would probably come out fine. But any tip/tricks you guys can share, it would be much appreciated.

 

List as below:

 
Fleet: 
## | CORE - (72%)
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MASSIVE/LARGE
1x Kursk (Land Dreadnought) - Arm. Massive - 200 - 1/1
[Commodore's Flagship]
1x Vorkuta (Land Transport Driller) - Arm. Large - 140 - 1/1
MEDIUM
3x Volochok (Medium Bombard) - Arm. Medium - 180 - 2/3
3x Minsk (Tank Destroyer) - Arm. Medium - 180 - 2/3
3x Kamchatka (Medium Tank) - Arm. Medium - 120 - 2/3
SMALL
4x Poltava (Light Tank) - Arm. Small - 140 - 2/4
5x Tikhvin (Small Tank) - Arm. Small - 125 - 2/5
3x Infantry Company (Assault Infantry) - Inf. Tiny - 0 - 1/3
 
## | NON-CORE - (28%)
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MASSIVE/LARGE
1x Tunguska (Large Skyship) - Aer. Large - 160 - 1/1
Tunguska | Squadron Support (RC: SAW Fighters, 5) - Aer. Massive - 15
MEDIUM
1x Krichev (Heavy Bomber) - Aer. Medium - 120 - 1/1
1x Krichev (Heavy Bomber) - Aer. Medium - 120 - 1/1
SAS
3x Fighters (Kursk)
5x Fighters (Tunguska)
5x Fighters (Local)
5x Fighters (Local)
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