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  1. I was just making an observation. Of the six armies they have no real weakness. The nerf they received previously brought them back in line with the other races. Now they have been given that range back and their main offensive MAR - kinetic - has been buffed. Their two deadliest TAC abilities have also been buffed - regenerate 1 to 3 wounds for a unit of medium or large tanks OR regenerate 1 to 6 bases of Light Infantry to EVERY unit in one helix - and with the changes to TACs they can be used every turn for the same cost. Having said that, I did only say they were 'very powerful', with the 'perhaps a little too powerful' comment being one I would like to quantify with some more games before saying so with certainty. Yeah - the targeted strike rules refer to 'a weapon' so that is what we limited it to. It's also mentioned in the description when talking about rolling different dice pools for multiple weapons with some having +1 and others not (such as when combining two weapons, one of which is placing the shot). It worked well, although as I mentioned above, the fact that most units fired placed shots with one of their weapons each turn detracted from the 'unique'/'limited' feel of the ability.
  2. Child9 - I posted up a Battle Report last night so I'm not sure I'd describe the forums as 'dead'. I know the focus is currently on FSA but I'm guessing it'll shift very soon to Planetfall to meet the August deadline. Spartan are currently living up to their new timeline and it seems people are slowly giving the new army lists and rules (as far as we know them) a try. All in all, it's movement in the right direction Commodore Jones - With Command Points being able to help zero-in sky drop markers (I think - or maybe it is just orbital strikes?), as well as using other drop markers to do so (down to a maximum of 3), plus the traditional method of designators, it really is fairly easy to get the sky drop markers (and orbital strikes) zeroed in each time. In fact I'd argue that it is almost too easy now. with no uncertainty to their use if a Commander has the appropriate resources.
  3. The game table midway through turn 3
  4. The game table at the start of Turn 1
  5. It’s taken a lot longer to get around to writing it up, but here is my recent experience of a game (3001 points) using the new army lists and new rules (so far as we know them). Given the time it’s taken to get this written the game details are a little hazy. Additionally, as I have added to this report it has gotten quite lengthy, so the later turns are fairly brief just to keep the length of the post down. If you want extra information about the game, just ask and if I can remember I’ll be happy to provide it. My forces – Directorate Core Helix (Command Helix) 1 Arbiter Deadlock cadre (1 unit of 6) Trojans (1 unit of 2) Heavy Armour Helix Castigtor + attached Stalker Purgation Tanks (1 unit of 3) Leviathan Helix Wraith Haunter Light Infantry (1 unit of 8 including an officer and 3 gun teams) Command Points x27 My opponent’s forces - Relthoza Core Helix Vardiss Salamis Caramis Namsic (1 unit of 6) Leviathan Helix Varisei-Kei Heavy Armour Helix Visith (1 unit of 2) Talamis Command Points x23 Setup We setup according to the current rules, although we put down the terrain we wanted/felt was right rather than using the guidelines in the rulebook. The play area was 4x6, although we really only ended up using a 4x4 space, despite one primary and one secondary objective being off to the left hand side of the board. In this photo one lot of primary and secondary objectives are visible – being the green flocked bunkers in the centre and centre top of the photo. Turn 1 I won the initiative and immediately activated the Command Barge - three orbital strikes in one activation was too tempting to forgo. I moved forward and immediately proceeded to call in all three orbital strikes on top of the leviathan – all were reduced to a value of 2 using command points, with the respective designators finishing off the job each time to ensure all were completely zeroed in. Given the changes to defensive MARS and orbital strikes we played that the old -2 DR didn’t apply. At the end of the salvo the Leviathan had suffered one damage, the Namsics had been reduced to a unit of two and the Visith’s had suffered two damage and one disorder. After shooting from the Command Barge (with placed shots from its tertiary weapon) the Leviathan had suffered a corrosion marker as well as a cyber marker (the best I could do even with my boosted hack TAC order). After one activation it wasn’t looking too good for my opponent. Having said that, he had weathered the orbital strike spam quite well, but had I rolled one extra success in two of the attacks he would have lost a Visith completely and his Leviathan would be have had an additional damage marker. My opponent retaliated by moving his left flank forward and firing on my Castigator and Stalker with his Talamis. Using placed shots, my Stalker was obliterated. I moved my Castigator up and returned fire (again with placed shots) onto his Talamis – one damage and a corrosion marker being all I was able to inflict. His Salamis then activated doing two damage to the Castigator (again using placed shots) - the change to the kinetic MAR being immediately apparent with my inability to roll an additional dice for the one six that I rolled in defence. My Trojans then moved flat out in an attempt to get some cover before his Visiths activated and destroyed my Castigator. My Purgation tanks then moved flat out too after which his Namsics headed towards his Tertiary objective. Moving my Wraith forward, I managed to inflict some more damage to his Leviathan (again using placed shots). The remainder of our forces activated and shot (I can’t remember the order unfortunately) but most, if not all, managed to get off placed shots. My Light Infantry were able to disembark from the Haunter and embark into the objective thanks to the new command point system. By the end of turn one many of the Relthozan forces were smoking, whilst my Light Infantry grand company wasn’t so grand anymore and my Command Barge had had its paint scratched. At the end of turn 1 I was down to 10 command points, having spent 17 in the turn! My opponent was down to 15, having spent 8 (including the removal of two disorder markers at the end of the turn). My TV counter was down to 54 and my opponent’s was at 50. Turn 2 The turn began with me playing Boosted Hack and my opponent playing Advanced Nano Repair and removing a damage marker from his Visiths. There was significant to and fro – I moved my Command Barge up but was unsuccessful in finishing off his Leviathan, although I did manage to do another point of damage – poor rolling again letting down my cyber attacks. By the end of the turn his Leviathan was destroyed, although both my Command Barge and Leviathan had suffered multiple wounds. Most shots again during the turn were placed shots (limited to the one weapon per unit constraint). At the end of turn 2 I was down to 7 command points and my opponent was down to 8. My TV had dropped to 33 and my opponent’s was 48. Turn 3 My opponent began the turn using Advanced Nano Repair again, this time removing the two remaining damage markers off his Visiths. The ability of this TAC cannot be overstated – to be able to remove multiple damage tokens each turn is a huge benefit, especially for the likes of three wound models like the Visiths. To be able to use it each and every turn for the same cost just seems too powerful, especially if the opposing player manoeuvres his unit effectively – moving the damaged tank to the rear and putting the undamaged tank in the line of fire. Anyway, my Command Barge moved forward and unleashed its payload of Heavy Infantry, who in turn paid a command point to occupy my Primary objective. I attacked his Visiths with most of my forces, inflicting two damage markers to one tank and one damage marker to another (due to the target priority rules). I also finished off the unit of Caramis. I lost my Leviathan, Command Barge and my Purgation tanks in the return fire. At the end of the turn 3 we were both down to 3 command points. My TV counter was a 14 and my opponent’s was 23. Turn 4 The beginning of the turn stated in much the same way for the Relthozan player – Advanced Nano-Repair with all three damage markers removed from the unit of Visiths. That was a whooping 21 successes wiped from the board (which against cloaked targets equates to well over 30 attack dice). With my infantry very limited in their range, almost all of the attacks were from the Relthozan player, costing me one Trojan and a couple of Heavy Infantry bases. I managed to do another damage to the Visiths, as well as add a couple of cyber markers, but other than that it was definitely the Relthozan player’s turn. I also moved the Punisher Drones to the other side of the table – well out of range of his remaining forces. Personally I think something has to be done to combat this though. Whilst we played that with the loss of the Command Barge a helix wide command test was necessary, to skip the drones to the other side of the board to deny TV just didn’t seem right. At the end of turn 4 I had one command point left and my opponent had none. My TV counter was a 2 and my opponent’s was at 23. Turn 5 This proved a huge turning point for my opponent. With almost nothing to offer resistance to him it was just a question of whether or not I would get some TV from the objectives my infantry were in. A couple of activations into the turn answered that question – no! The fire from his units decimated both my light and heavy infantry, leaving me to hope for the initiative the next turn so that my lone Trojan could cower behind the cover offered by one of the secondary objectives and utilise its new ‘Take and Hold’ MAR. At the end of the turn my TV remained on 2 and my opponent’s was 7. Turn 6 As luck would have it, I managed to win the initiative and scurried to the cover offered by the objective – safely out of sight of the approaching Relthozan forces. A victory snatched from the jaws of defeat and which would have gone the other way had my opponent won the initiative. I guess the end result points to how close the game as in the end, although with only one ‘Take and Hold’ unit, if my opponent had a slightly different army composition I think it might have been a very different result. Thoughts/comments: · The command point system is quite good, although there were some ridiculous situations as a result. The spamming of placed shots being perhaps the biggest of these situations. If almost every unit is performing a placed shot each turn it does tend to take something away from the ‘uniqueness’ of the ability. The other ridiculous situation was of course the zeroing in of Orbital Strikes. If I wanted to be ‘that guy’ I could’ve taken 3 Command Barges, with the potential of 9 zeroed in artillery strikes over three activations – not fun for me or my opponent. Having said that, the 12AD for every unit under the template seems to work well (assuming the -2DR is no longer in effect) – easily weathered by the bigger units whilst causing significant damage to the smaller ones. · The number of range bands isn’t as bad as it first appears. Going into the game I thought the new range band system, especially with placed shots applying to different bands for different weapon types, would overly complicate the game. Having played it, however, this really isn’t the case. It was fairly easy and quick to work out the range bands and whether or not placed shots were available. Having said that, I fail to see what the extra range bands add to the game, aside from homogenising the rules system with FSA. · There are many rules that need clarification – which will obviously occur once the new rules are released. For example, my opponent’s Leviathan satisfied the old ‘Forlorn Hope’ conditions, although with the ability to remove one disorder marker from a unit at the end of a turn we played that it hadn’t satisfied the ‘Forlorn Hope’ status, requiring an extra disorder above and beyond the usual to reach such status. The removal of ‘Flat Out’ markers also came up – now that they confer a defensive bonus, are they still removed at the start of the unit’s next activation, or are they removed at the end of the turn? There we plenty of these minor rules queries that we stumbled through – can’t wait for the full release of the rules to clarify many of them. · The increase in TV does make for a longer game, although we both agreed that many games will end like this one – with one opponent almost completely obliterated from the table. Our game took just over three hours – a fairly good time considering the number of turns and the fact that it was our first game in almost a year. · The Relthozans are back up on top again. Their high attack dice pools, coupled with their speed, the best defensive MAR in the game and perhaps the best offensive MAR, mean they are very powerful (perhaps a little too powerful? I’ll reserve judgement until I’ve played more games). My forces might have won, but a slightly different composition my opponent would have wiped the floor with me. · The changes to the line of sight rules work really well. They make the use of cover a feasible tactic now, given that the 2mm corner of the base that hangs out from a building is no longer a valid target. It makes the game a little more strategic, which is nothing but a good thing. Anyway, that’s it for now. We’ll hopefully play another game in the next week or two. When we do, I’ll be sure to write up another report.
  6. Firstly, let me begin by saying a big 'thank you' to Derek for providing an insight into the game's direction and for the updated ORBAT list. It feels good to be part of a community that is kept in the loop and whose input and opinion is valued. As for the changes, I'd also like to echo some of the concerns regarding Command Points. Whilst I can't get a game or two in till next week, I thought I'd add my 2 cents worth (or 2 pence worth for those in the UK) on the subject. I sometimes play Directorate and I can see some major potential for Orbital Strike Bombardment spam/abuse. For a mere 25 points each, you can zero in each and every one of your Orbital Strike markers. In the past, artillery strikes really required two designators to be effective – one to zero in and one to call in. Now, however, there really isn’t a need for a designator to zero in, since you can just pay 25 points and it’s zeroed in, effectively doubling the number of relatively accurate strikes you can call in each turn – with a couple of Aerial helixes and a couple of Ground Command helixes that’s a lot of potential alpha strikes! That being the case, I’d like to ask whether or not there is a limit to the number of Command Points you can spend in total each turn or on a particular action per turn? And if there isn’t, would it be possible to put in place some sort of limits? My other issue regarding Command Points is in regards to the disparity in cost. There really is just too much of a difference in cost. For 15 points, a Directorate player can remove three disorder markers at the end of a turn, effectively preventing three points of damage over three units (assuming the one per turn limit is in regards to per unit, rather than per force). For the same cost an Aquan player can only prevent one. Likewise for placed shots – as a Directorate player I can have three times as many units have placed shots per turn than an Aquan or Dindrenzi player. How is this balanced? Sure the Aquan player has a better chance to have the first activation each turn, but other than that is there really any advantage to having a Tactical Bonus value of +3 beyond turn one? Having said that, could I offer a suggestion – make the Tactical Bonus value also add that many ‘free’ Command Points to the armies' pool each turn. Thus an Aquan army would have 3 free Command Points each turn, whilst a Directorate player would only have 1. If most armies are spending 4 Command Points per turn, the armies at both extremes would be points neutral (those in the middle would be spending an extra 5 points, but that could be considered the cost of the flexibility having those forces gives). If they spend more each turn, then Directorate and Sorylian will have an advantage. However, if the game goes on longer, armies like Aquan and Dindrenzi will likely have the advantage. Terran and Relthozan forces will be somewhere in between, which is where most games will probably end up anyway. This would also fit the fluff, given that the longer a battle is drawn out the more likely the Directorate ‘mercenaries’ will turn and flee/the battle drugs will have worn off or that the ‘slow’ Sorylian will be outmanoeuvred or that the ordered/stalwart Aquans/Dindrenzi will hold the line. Anyway, most of the changes look good (although the number of range bands does seem excessive … but that’s for another post after I play a few games), and we can all agree that the love and support the game is being given is definitely a move in the right direction. Can’t wait to play a couple of games next week.
  7. A shout out to the OP - thanks! I hadn't even realized I was missing the parts until I saw this post. I guess I would've eventually made the discovery, but having said that, I'd assembled and undercoated and still hadn't noticed. Oh well, another E-mail to Lizzie ... My experience has been about a 30% miss rate. It's usually just little things like a sky drop marker or one of the the infantry figures, but at the end of the day it is a pretty high occurrence compared to my experiences with other miniature manufacturers. Shipping a little piece of resin all the way to Australia has gotta cost, and when it's 30% of the time, that's gotta add up. Not to mention the annoyance factor - I like to undercoat in one hit to get the best use out of my spray cans. Having to wait for a part to arrive either delays the painting (which is so backed up now that it really is a non-issue) or means I waste spray paint, not to mention the possible delay with putting my new toys on the table. Having said all that, the minis are some of the best I've come across, and the customer service is top notch, so I'll continue to buy ...
  8. We had another 2v2 game tonight. Relthoza and Directorate v Terran and Aquan - 3,500 points for each battlegroup. The game was conceded after turn 1, with the Zenian League's Zero Hour Tracker at 21 and the Kurak Alliance's Zero Hour Tracker at 68. The Relthozans wiped the board with the Aquans who they squared off with. Gotta say, the changes seem to work, although there was no Relthozan Heavy Helix. Still can't see why anyone would ever take one - 20 inches? The flamethrowers on my Assault Helix mechs shoot just as far - a point we all found very amusing. Anyway, if I get the chance over the next day or two I'll add in some details. But bottom line was the game seemed fairly balanced, with both sides given the opportunity to get on top at times. Unfortunately the Kurak Alliance just never seized the opportunities presented.
  9. Except that you can't use hit and run and take advantage of placed shots - pg 139 of the rulebook 'Models choosing to Shoot then Move may not take advantage of any Target Locks or Specialist Fire Orders such as Overwatch or Focused Fire'.
  10. Why not just change the MAR for those without the penalty to 'superior thunderous charge'?
  11. Hi all, Just a question that came up tonight regarding port/starboard weapons. If I have a weapon that is 'P + S' and I have different enemies in both the port and starboard arcs, can the weapon be fired on both targets? We could see how it could go both ways, but if you have a battery of lasers on your port side and another battery on your starboard side, logic would say you can hit two targets per turn under the right conditions. Anyway, just wondering if anyone could offer a clarification?
  12. Thanks for the update. The longer game length sounds good - one of the biggest problems with the game we've had is that most games never progress beyond turn two. This means alpha striking can have a decided effect on the results of most games. Do you have any time frame on when the new version of the rules will be released? Are we talking a month or a good 6-12 months?
  13. I thought I’d start a thread where players could report their findings/evaluations of the new ORBATS (thanks to those who worked on them) based on experiences from actual games … Well we finally got around to trying out the new ORBATS over the weekend and, whilst I’m not a Relthozan player, I’ve gotta say I think they were hit too hard with the nerf bat at least in one area. We played a 2v1 game – I had two 3,500 point battlegroups and each of my opponents controlled their own 3,500 point battlegroup. So a 7,000 point game. I had Aquan and Sorylian and my opponents both had Relthozan. Admittedly the game began very poorly for one of my opponents – he’d given his Visith recon and charged straight for my leviathan. I won the initiative and by the end of the activation his Visith unit was down to a single tank with one wound on it. I’ve gotta say that the Aquan leviathan is an absolute beast now. I’ve always stayed away from it due to the lack of independent targeting, but now it has it, it can rip through multi-wound targets with abandon. Personally I’d like to see the pinpoint reduced to 2, unless they are combined, in which case it increases to 4 – similar to the Assault Helix. One of the Relthozan players gave most of his army recon and was able to advance down the line before the game began. Unfortunately for him the Aquans and their placed shots tore apart most of his forces before he was able to engage with any real effectiveness. It was even worse for my other opponent, as without recon most of his heavy hitters did very little in a game that was virtually over by the end of the first turn – my Zero Hour Tracker was down from 70 to 19. Their Zero Hour Tracker was down from 70 to 54. We did start to play the second turn but they both conceded very quickly into it. He was able to engage my Sorylian Recon Helix and inflict some substantial losses on it, but it and the rest of my Sorylian force were able to give back so much more (except for my heavy infantry, who jumped out in front of a unit of Salamas and unloaded in CQB with a whopping 3 successes off 20 dice!). And, apart from my Recon Helix and a unit of Bor’Kas, my Sorylians survived the battle virtually unscathed. Anyway, some observations from the game: The Aquan Leviathan packs perhaps too great a punch now with potentially two pinpoint 4 weapons. The nerf to the Relthozan spires is tough but not necessarily broken, with two of the three dropped spires able to be destroyed (and the infantry inside forced to move and get an immediate activation marker) before their next activation. We decided we could see the tactical possibilities without them having the ‘Assault’ MAR – you just need to be selective about where and when you use them. If your opponent is activating a helix on the other side of the board, then go for it – there’s nothing he can do about. The other possibility is that it forces the non-Relthozan player to prioritise his targets – does he try to destroy that big ugly spire that just dropped down or that big ugly bug on the other side of the table attempting to get into range. As a side note, the heavy infantry, though, are now much better – being the only infantry in the game who can potentially take a secondary objective on turn one. The range nerf to the Vardis is just ridiculous. Both players ran with a Heavy Helix and both of their Vardis’ did absolutely nothing all game. Actually, I stand corrected – they managed to draw some fire away from the rest of the army. I’m not sure what the designers and play testers were thinking when they came up with a 20 inch range, but honestly it is just too short, especially when you can’t give them recon either. I was all for changes to the Relthozan army, but there is something seriously messed up with this change. Why would any Relthozan player choose to take a Heavy Helix anymore? Maybe one of the play testers could shed some light on this – although I notice this has already been asked quite a few times without any reply. The nerf to the designators wasn’t that bad – both players still managed to zero in a number of sites. Having said that, it took over 10 minutes just to set up the Sky Drop Markers. Why do the Relthozans have to have soooo many of them? Why not just reduce the number of markers and designators in the army, but increase the effectiveness of those that do exist? In the end we just decided that for future games we’ll just place them all simultaneously to cut down on time and dice off if opposing players want to put them in/near the same place. Anyway, they’re just a few observations from a non-Relthozan player. TL:DR · Post your evaluations of the new ORBATS from actual games in this thread. · The Aquan Leviathan is potentially in need of a nerf – reduce the pinpoint to 2 unless the weapons are combined. · Most of the Relthozan changes seem playable although the Vardis range nerf is definitely NOT.
  14. I think he means 'Disorder affects ALL defensive rolls'. As for point 3, why don't you minus the defensive successes from both steps in the process? The first step is basically the number of ships you shoot down on the way in to board and the second step is the actual crew's defense after being boarded. To me, they're both defensive actions/rolls, and 'disorder affects ALL defensive rolls'.
  15. I'm afraid I have to disagree - tier 3 ships are far more maneuverable and can easily run rings around the bigger ships. The ability to turn twice in a turn makes for very easy maneuverability, and allows the smaller ships to easily get out of certain arcs of the opponent's ships if need be. As for bidding to get rid of disorder, it isn't an instant win for your opponent because in all likelihood they will be bidding too. If they aren't, it's because you're piling damage tokens on his ships instead or just not penetrating his defences. As for the disorder markers themselves, they come into play against bombing runs and boarding actions too, so just because a unit doesn't have shields doesn't mean they aren't hurt by having disorder markers - in fact, they count towards the majority of attacks.
  16. Difficult target: book: -1 to attackers roll on damage table when targeted by weapon attacks. card: -1 to attackers roll on damage table. Result: bomber sorties and boarding assults are listed as (non-weapon attacks, p17 of the book under combining non-weapon attacks). So they should not be effected by this MAR when attacking if using the book but will if using the card. (This may have just been shortened to fit on the summary but is important to note) I'm of the opinion that the rule book would trump the stat sheets - since the stat sheets are just summaries and were probably produced as secondary sources (apart from the unit statistics that is) Cyclic shielding: in the book it says ALL weapon attacks. So can this be used against weapons with MARs that ignore shields and point defence? It lists (including torpedoes) but that is all it's useful against as bomber sorties and boarding assults are Non-weapons. Yeah, cyclic shielding shouldn't apply to bombing runs. As for attacks that ignore shields (like cyber weapons) I'd say the cyclic shielding trumps it, since it does say 'ALL weapon attacks'. Nuclear: book: roll a D6 for any models within 4" of that target. On the roll of 4+ the model suffers a disorder marker. Sheet: on a roll of 4+ ALL models within 4" suffer a disorder marker. Result: the wording of the book makes it sound like you roll for each model within 4" separately. But the sheet is very clear. Is the sheet right then only a few changes to the books wording would have made it say the same or was the sheet summery shortened but then way say 'ALL'? Again, I'd take the rule book over the stat sheet. Experienced engineers: book: all models with this MAR remove 1 disorder marker in the repairs step on a roll of 4+. Sheet: you can roll for EACH disorder marker a model may have. Result: the wording of the book means each ship can roll a dice and remove a disorder marker on a 4+, but the sheet add a whole extra line saying you can roll for each Disorder marker. So is this a case of the rulebook having to have a sentence cut but they included it in the summary sheets? Again, the book over the stat sheet, otherwise this becomes a very powerful MAR indeed - being able to remove multiple disorder tokens from a unit each turn ... Yes please!
  17. Do you need examples for turning? It's pretty straight forward - if you're a tier 2 or 3 you can begin by turning up to 45 degrees, then you move at least half your movement straight forward, tier 3s can then perform another 45 degree turn at the end of the move. Tier 1s have to move forward half their move and can end their move by performing up to a 45 degree turn, as can tier 2s that didn't begin their move by turning. We were initially playing this, but on further investigation it doesn't seem to be the case. Page 17 of the rule book clearly defines boarding assaults and bombing runs as non-weapon attacks, and the MAR for cyclic shielding on page 26 says it applies to 'ALL weapon attacks'. I wouldn't think so - how can you have negative defence? Are your troops so demoralized that in addition to being unable to defend themselves they begin sabotaging their own ships? That just seems silly to me. Overall think the rules are quite solid. Sure, they're simple, but that makes for a fast, furious and bloody game. I might only have a handful of games under my belt, but I'm definitely a fan of the rules. Not the depth of Planetfall (the only other Spartan game I play ... for the moment) but still sufficient to be a game of tactics - like my last game where I suckered my Dindrenzi opponent into charging forward after a unit of frigates. The rest of my fleet went the other way and after the second turn he never got to fire those front arc rail guns again!
  18. It might be harsh, but I think that's the way it's intended. Plus, you can easily remove disorder tokens in this game. And then there are interceptors for some factions - those things rip apart boarding assaults. All in all, I don't think it's as harsh as you might think. How do you play attackers with multiple damage markers, say 4, and multiple weapons? Do you just discount the first four successes of their first weapon attack, or do you take four successes off their beam weapon attack and then four successes off their torpedo attack? If it's the later, I don't see why the reverse (i.e. disorder) shouldn't apply. If your opponent is able to stack four disorder markers on you, you really should be feeling the consequences of that shouldn't you? Just my opinion.
  19. I play it as affecting both sets of rolls, since both generate successes and both are rolls made in defence. Page 5 of the rulebook states, under disorder markers, that 'this applies to successes generated when defending against ... boarding assaults'. So in your example, you'd lose 4 successes in the first phase (when the attacker determines how many CP they finally get to roll) and you'd lose 4 successes in the second phase where the final attacking CP rolls are made against the defending CP rolls.
  20. It's not my intention to argue. I was just venting my frustration as a player. I'm sure Spartan, like any other business, wants feedback from their customers. This is what I was offering. I love the game and the figures, but the lack of perceived care (and I know it's not deliberate) and respect for the players is what I was commenting on. Anyway, thanks for the updates Max and Dan. Hopefully the ORBATS are only a week away now - at least that's what the optimist in me wants to believe.
  21. Yeah, I was hoping they might head down the Planetfall path, with different point values for different unit sizes.
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