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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Luisjoey in Could the Dystopian Age be more Victorian?   
    I understand that Outlaw and Warcradle aren't trying to build a Historical or Alt-Historical game but to my mind its tended to draw upon more recent cultural references and 'steampunkify' them, or some more Americanised references that don't make that much sense for the setting.  I'm not suggesting these references need to be removed, but the setting would be enriched by delving more into both contemporary Victoriana and Victorian Science Fiction.  
    For example the British Infantry of LWX draw a lot from the 18th century of the American Revolutionary war but with a Pith Helmet, rather than say Zulu or the Crimean.  It would fit the setting better and also evoke popular culture of the Film Zulu or similar.
    In terms of characters I'm surprised that Warcradle have steered away from a consulting detective or explorer detachment.  Quartermain is out of IP as a big game hunter.  HG Wells Food of the Gods would be great as an excuse to have giants which would be different.  
    With the Vault being Alien a Barsoom or the Cosmic trilogy of CS Lewis themed lists would be fun with some very different looking aliens.  Also a Selenite war force.  
    Jules Verne provides examples beyond the Nautilus of adventurers from Phileas Fogg, and the hollow earth that does seem to inspire Warcradle's vision for the Antarctic.  
     
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    My apologies for the time taken, but Richard asked for the full list so I spent the time to do my research and check sources and came up with 20 things that Warcradle should apologise for to existing fans to make things better and understand how they could of and can improve.
    1.       Purchasing Spartan games without a plan
    2.       Not explaining to fans the loss of masters and extant CAD design and hence requiring redesign
    3.       Rather than explaining to fans the loss of material, blaming fans for the needs of a redesign
    4.       Blaming fans for the fall of Spartan rather than the reality of the owners own problems and the nature of the Halo licence
    5.       A lack of honesty on plans for the game with early statements suggesting a continuation of the extant game with a shakeup of factions which did not come to pass
    6.       Reliance on fans to update Orbats but no thanks or credit shown publicly
    7.       Blaming fans for negative reactions to Warcradle designs rather than accepting criticism was helpful when designs later changed based on fan feedback
    8.       Statements with unrealistic timescales which suggested releases at least a year ago
    9.       Failure to create a vision for Dystopian Wars and Dystopian Age
    10.   The problematic absorption of Dystopian Wars into the WWX setting with its attendant racism, sexism, fantastical elements and more unrealistic models being at odds with Spartan’s vision of a gilded age based on class warfare
    11.   The unwillingness to make the extant game compatible with the new ones, especially with the change of scale for the armoured game
    12.   Unwillingness to thank fans for pointing out the problematic and racist tropes involved in the Chi Vampire and Celestial Empire leading to the change of both
    13.   Unwillingness to promote the game
    14.   Unwillingness to promote the Classics range especially as a collection of Spartan models
    15.   Mishandling the sale of the Classics range for which fans were blamed
    16.   Mishandling of social media leading to unnecessary antagonism
    17.   Antagonism rather than conciliation as a rule
    18.   Release of material for Firestorm Armada and Uncharted Seas without explaining how many years in advance of product it was
    19.   Planned release of product without full unit sizes and cut down material that makes it harder for the player to collect the range
    20.   Accusing critics of being mentally ill
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Small Mek in Warcradle Classics?   
    Why would alienating existing fans by making the setting and models people already have incompatible make something more popular and successful?  And why would fans of a weird Wild West Skirmish be a better market for steampunk boats then people that already buy Steampunk boats.  But I'm no businesstician.  People seem to have big back orders on this very thread of large amounts of Dystopian Wars models they want to buy, while second hand groups seem to do a brisk sale.  If the market is as bad as you say why would people even buy your version with less variety, no fanbase, and a very slow release?  
    More importantly, does this mean that no more Spartan models will be produced or sold by your good selves?  
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Sebenko in Warcradle Classics?   
    My apologies for the time taken, but Richard asked for the full list so I spent the time to do my research and check sources and came up with 20 things that Warcradle should apologise for to existing fans to make things better and understand how they could of and can improve.
    1.       Purchasing Spartan games without a plan
    2.       Not explaining to fans the loss of masters and extant CAD design and hence requiring redesign
    3.       Rather than explaining to fans the loss of material, blaming fans for the needs of a redesign
    4.       Blaming fans for the fall of Spartan rather than the reality of the owners own problems and the nature of the Halo licence
    5.       A lack of honesty on plans for the game with early statements suggesting a continuation of the extant game with a shakeup of factions which did not come to pass
    6.       Reliance on fans to update Orbats but no thanks or credit shown publicly
    7.       Blaming fans for negative reactions to Warcradle designs rather than accepting criticism was helpful when designs later changed based on fan feedback
    8.       Statements with unrealistic timescales which suggested releases at least a year ago
    9.       Failure to create a vision for Dystopian Wars and Dystopian Age
    10.   The problematic absorption of Dystopian Wars into the WWX setting with its attendant racism, sexism, fantastical elements and more unrealistic models being at odds with Spartan’s vision of a gilded age based on class warfare
    11.   The unwillingness to make the extant game compatible with the new ones, especially with the change of scale for the armoured game
    12.   Unwillingness to thank fans for pointing out the problematic and racist tropes involved in the Chi Vampire and Celestial Empire leading to the change of both
    13.   Unwillingness to promote the game
    14.   Unwillingness to promote the Classics range especially as a collection of Spartan models
    15.   Mishandling the sale of the Classics range for which fans were blamed
    16.   Mishandling of social media leading to unnecessary antagonism
    17.   Antagonism rather than conciliation as a rule
    18.   Release of material for Firestorm Armada and Uncharted Seas without explaining how many years in advance of product it was
    19.   Planned release of product without full unit sizes and cut down material that makes it harder for the player to collect the range
    20.   Accusing critics of being mentally ill
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    I totally agree with the second phrase.
    And I'm also with Lex Orion and the first phrase. I'm waiting since september.. I'm willing to buy more ships and promote the game in my area (which is IMO very importent for every company - have older players to reach new customers) but I'm still waiting for news and solutions which fits me.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    Being fast on response is and friendly good and nice, but to meet (reasonable) expecations is better.

    It would be nice if  we can get a timeline for the models which are marked as "Restock Expected: Available To Order" or else to get a clear "out of production" for the models where the moulds are broken and the items are taken out of the shop.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Lex Orion in Warcradle Classics?   
    I am not agree with the firs phrase as I explained before.
    KS was a killer or they were dying and Ks bakers were not enough to resurrect them?
    I hope to get my purchased and not received ships and more old ships.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Lex Orion in Warcradle Classics?   
    I understand your point of view and it is fair. Your company, your rules.
    Equally, old players can be in disagreement about your policy and explain it. Perhaps some old players (like me) are frustrated because the end of Spartan and the difficulty to get some old ships and because we were excited when you got the rights of Spartan´s DW and FA and we trust that you would continue their legacy.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Lex Orion in Warcradle Classics?   
    I understand that it is not easy to know how to take the best way for the success of a game or a company.... but to buy the rights of a good miniatures game and change it (rules and models) is a big risk.
    If it is a success for you, I am happy for you. But I want the old ships and their design.
    Perhaps, it would have been good to continue the Spartan´s legacy and promote the game to try new players. You have old players who want to complete their fleets and, probably, another old  fleets. And, surely, the old players would try to gain more new players and sales for you.
    Perhaps you have low sells of old ships because the old players and some new players are not sure to be able to complete the fleets because there are not all the ships in the shop.
    I have purchased a lot of DW ships in Wayland on October 1, 2019 and I am still waiting many of them. Also, they send me some wrong ships (I ordered 6 Russian Veliky Escorts and they sent me 6 Novgorod Frigates) and I am still waiting a response (more than one month later). I want to purchase more ships, but I am still waiting news and solutions.
    I desire the best for you, and the satisfaction of old and new players. If we can to complete our fleets, even to get more (whole) fleets, sure, we were very happy. It will be good for you, it isn´t?
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    I can confirm this, your customer service is always fast and friendly with his response. 
     
    I think KS was a very big killer, most of the ~1.000 backers got nothing. 
    I can't speak for the possible new customers, but me, as an existing customer; I'm willing to buy more fleets, especially the classical ones. I like the chinese and EotBS models and had plans to buy complete fleets from both, after the arrival of my KS-Stuff...
    I'm not sure if I like to buy the new stuff,  it seems that the size (and style) doesn't fit to my existing ones. That would be a ko-criteria. So I'm still hoping that more classical models will be available within the next 2 month.
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Lex Orion in Warcradle Classics?   
    I don't think we ever did Pok, but certainly the Kickstarter killed them more by being too successful then not arriving at demands so it suggests there is and was a market for a steampunk boat game from steampunk boat fans, rather than there being a mysterious new source of people who want to play a steampunk boat game but only if it has nothing whatsoever to do with Spartan Games.
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Lex Orion in Warcradle Classics?   
    Why would alienating existing fans by making the setting and models people already have incompatible make something more popular and successful?  And why would fans of a weird Wild West Skirmish be a better market for steampunk boats then people that already buy Steampunk boats.  But I'm no businesstician.  People seem to have big back orders on this very thread of large amounts of Dystopian Wars models they want to buy, while second hand groups seem to do a brisk sale.  If the market is as bad as you say why would people even buy your version with less variety, no fanbase, and a very slow release?  
    More importantly, does this mean that no more Spartan models will be produced or sold by your good selves?  
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    Thousands of hours? Into the classic range, really? Not with the rules, not with (sadly) shipping, only with the online shop? Which have a lot of bugs e.g. smalls (frigates, destroyers) which cost much more than mediums (cruisers).
    And with the volumes - we (the customers) have only little information with the new rules, the ships doesn't fit with the rules we (or maybe I) know and they are yet not ready published. A lot of the classic modells are not deliverable/shippable...  What do you think, you sell tons of miniatures from the classics range? I think most will wait with an order.
    Maybe/hopefully this will change with the start of 3.0. But from my point of view this start has already been bungeld with the announcment of 2 mediums where you want 3 and 4 small where you want 5 in the new boxes...
    In different german forums there are a lot of warnings over the past years about wayland and there policy and shipping. Only GW articels seems to work they say. You still confirm them.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    Sad to hear!
    Do you still deliver the open orders?
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Warcradle Richard in Warcradle Classics?   
    Sadly, the volumes ships sell at is tiny compared to the numbers of even obscure items GW sells.   We have tied up thousands of hours into the classics range already, it is not a money making exercise for us, simply as way of allowing classics players to close some gaps in their collections.  It is most likely that DW classics will be closed at some point in the new year, just prior to the release of the new game.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Paraxanthine in Reviving the official wiki   
    Changelog ;
    - Directorate completed
    - Relthoza completed
    I found Taskforce stat sheets for pretty much every ship on this forum so I'll add those to the wiki later.
    Merry christmas and happy new year everyone !
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    Played a 2.300 points game with my RoF against my brothers RC last night. I do love this game!!!
    We had a couple of exiting moments - magazine detonation, sturginium flare caused with my heat lances.  Incredible powerful attacks with russian primary guns and a death run bomb attack from 3 Myshkin against my La Rochelle - vaporised it.  And a final salvo from my Royans against his Moskva, needing a damaging critical hit in order to finally sink it and win the game, but made only a critical hit but with a hard pounding...  
    I do love this game and hope to get more classical models!
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    RuleBritannia reacted to murphy'slawofcombat in new rules set   
    yes, i too would love to look at the new rule set ........one can only hope it will be sooner than later .... being the only one here in Carlisle Pa. that is doing the game I am hoping to take it to my local game store in Harrisburg and introduce it to the players there ....we really do need something soon 
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Paraxanthine in new rules set   
    The distinguished competition TTCombat are doing a Stellaris game.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Charistoph in new rules set   
    If I was any good at 3D modeling, I would have tried to make a Homeworlds or Stellaris mod with Firestorm by now...
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Paraxanthine in new rules set   
    Oh man, I was thinking about a homeworld 2 mod as well... There are a good number of models that i'd love to see in action.
    Pretty exited for HW3 by the way.
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    RuleBritannia got a reaction from Paraxanthine in Reviving the official wiki   
    Very elegant Paraxanthine.  Great looking page.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    Just had a mail from support, slowly, but some missing models are dropping in. 
    Still waiting for the most of them.
    I once had the Gustav, but sold him ebay.  But you can visit (or fight) my Marans and Royan Gunships here in germany.  
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Kirin in new rules set   
    Recently felt the itch for Firestorm Armada again. Unpacked my Sorylian fleet and cradled them a bit.
    Would love to get my hands on some beta rules to test with the group. The year is almost gone.
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    RuleBritannia reacted to Small Mek in new rules set   
    The beta would be a really really really nice present, alas Warcradle is most probably focusing on the release of Dystopian Wars.
    Supposedly there are separate teams working on each title, so it's moving forwards, but I assume the developement structure is not that strict, and if there is something that needs to get done, than all hands will be on that side of the deck.
    The silence however is rather deep. Yes, we have seen concepts and tinylittleminor hints about the fluff, but on the rules front the last thing was that we have heard was the beta will start after the DW beta has concluded. Technicly I haven't heard an announcement that it has officially concluded (only that the last revision is out), but technically the earth will be consumed by the sun after the DW beta is over. Just not for a while yet (hopefully O.o ).
    Sooooo... 2020 Q1? Q2? Any updetes/hints @Warcradle Richard @Warcradle Stuart ? Maybe for christmas? Pretty please?
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