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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Tarnya in Warcradle Classics?   
    I'm sure if we just give WC time (and lots of money for resin) they'll get armies as big and diverse as what old Spartan gave us! 
     
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    Overread got a reaction from Pathogen in Warcradle Classics?   
    I'm sure if we just give WC time (and lots of money for resin) they'll get armies as big and diverse as what old Spartan gave us! 
     
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    Overread got a reaction from Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    All very true points indeed. I well remember comments that not only were many of the moulds old/not in good condition, but that they also arrived in a very haphazard fashion and took a fair bit of time to sort out what was actually what. 
    That said for us fans on the outside much of it is just ideas being thrown around. I suspect many of these issues will steadily reduce once the new range starts to hit the high seas and the shelves. In fact those looking to build their classic collections up might actually find the secondhand market picks up as whilst some will want a full old style fleet; others might start "trading up" selling old versions of the ships for new sculpts so it could take some pressure off that aspect of the market. 
     
     
    In the end we are all gamers who are just super keen to see something we love back on the shelves, especially as the whole steam punk sea warfare market is basically empty (heck lets be honest SG was the biggest brand in its scale in a very long while - traditionally a niche that tends to only survive with historical games and with micro companies where there might be just one guy casting and producing everything). So here's to 2020 the year that Dystopian Wars returns to the high seas!
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    Overread got a reaction from Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    I think it sounds like a bit of a catch22 in that demand for classics is low because most are listed out of stock and/or take a very long time to get cast when ordered which reduces the number of orders which reduces the amount of resources that WC is able to devote to them. 
     
    Resin casting is more labour intensive than, say, plastic casting and when there's a huge library its not as profitable if the sales are really low as the prices are designed to work with volume rather than 4 of one ship then 1 of another etc..... Instead of 50 of each being cast in batch style production. 
    I think it didn't help that Spartan had already started the process of killing off its own fanbase somewhat before the end and the end hit hard and many casual fans might not even be fully aware that the classics range is out there- having moved on to other games. Plus WC isn't marketing things all that heavily right now (a few events are attended through the year and there IS marketing in that - but its not the major "we are launching with a date" kind of marketing.
     
     
     
    Personally I think the Classics might actually become more viable if they were perhaps done a bit like how GW does it. Release DW the new game; release an army with a big focus on them and then do a push of classic castings only for that army on order to cast up for. Whilst I dislike GW's "1 week" policy with that (because its REALLY annoying and short term with little advanced warning); it does focus customers into a specific window and builds on the marketing interest already generated by the new models. In theory the new marketing gets old fans back who do take up the option of grabbing some old classic sculpts. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Pathogen in new rules set   
    Honestly I wouldn't expect big steps in the Firestorm department until we see Dystopian pushed further forward. We've also no real idea of WC's plans for how fast and how much they will roll out for Dystopian Wars - remembering that they are redesigning many of the factions and models to new sculpts as well as some adjustments to alliances. I don't think we've really got an idea how big a team and production setup WC have either - plus they already produce WWE products. 
     
    So predictions are hard and its honestly the worst of times at present as whilst things are surely chugging along, there just isn't much to tantalize us. Esp since its likely they are still in phases where many things get changed or adjusted, dropped and added and where progress just takes time. It would be foolish of WC to build up hype too much now and leave us with a long period of nothing or have to change plans . 
    That siad they are now making classic sculpts up for sale so there is that to look forward too! : )
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Tarnya in Warcradle Classics?   
    It's more likely that as the forum doesn't see much attention they don't focus on viewing it every day - whilst facebook they likely check along with their own personal social media accounts. 

    In the past I've reported posts to bring them to the attention of WC staff since the volunteer mods don't see any of the back-end of the company so company focused questions we cannot answer (save to repeat what WC staff have already said). 
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in DW Demo Images   
    To be fair rebuilding is going to be darn hard until there's a concrete release date from WC for when they are going to launch the game. Until then its all ticking over really unless your local scene has a lot of legacy ships to play with and you can get into the beta through the FB groups. That said every day we get closer and closer to that magical time when WC announces it! 
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    Overread got a reaction from Banelord in Warcradle Classics?   
    It's not in Waylands interest to sit on money and have outstanding orders. So yes if the mould was broken and WC reported as such to Wayland and the listing was taken down yes they would. Outstanding orders for a retailer aren't free money, they are a bother that costs them in support time to resolve. So its in their interests to make sure orders are delivered and if matters outside of their control mean that it cannot be delivered then processing a refund as quickly as possible is best. 
     
    Honestly besides the "wayland are slower than others" issue I've never had problems with them. I'd also say that their "slower than others" has improved over time, especially when they updated the site to a live stock display.
     
     
    As for WC right now the public display of a model being removed is when it leaves the Wayland site for ordering. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Zak in Warcradle Classics?   
    It's not in Waylands interest to sit on money and have outstanding orders. So yes if the mould was broken and WC reported as such to Wayland and the listing was taken down yes they would. Outstanding orders for a retailer aren't free money, they are a bother that costs them in support time to resolve. So its in their interests to make sure orders are delivered and if matters outside of their control mean that it cannot be delivered then processing a refund as quickly as possible is best. 
     
    Honestly besides the "wayland are slower than others" issue I've never had problems with them. I'd also say that their "slower than others" has improved over time, especially when they updated the site to a live stock display.
     
     
    As for WC right now the public display of a model being removed is when it leaves the Wayland site for ordering. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Tarnya in Warcradle Classics?   
    It's not in Waylands interest to sit on money and have outstanding orders. So yes if the mould was broken and WC reported as such to Wayland and the listing was taken down yes they would. Outstanding orders for a retailer aren't free money, they are a bother that costs them in support time to resolve. So its in their interests to make sure orders are delivered and if matters outside of their control mean that it cannot be delivered then processing a refund as quickly as possible is best. 
     
    Honestly besides the "wayland are slower than others" issue I've never had problems with them. I'd also say that their "slower than others" has improved over time, especially when they updated the site to a live stock display.
     
     
    As for WC right now the public display of a model being removed is when it leaves the Wayland site for ordering. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Zak in DW Demo Images   
    To be fair rebuilding is going to be darn hard until there's a concrete release date from WC for when they are going to launch the game. Until then its all ticking over really unless your local scene has a lot of legacy ships to play with and you can get into the beta through the FB groups. That said every day we get closer and closer to that magical time when WC announces it! 
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Zak in Warcradle Classics?   
    Just a point, but sometimes when casting you don't know a mould is worn until you cast with it and find out. Same for when they break. So some of the models might break right when WC goes to cast them up for your order. 
     
    The issue, I believe, is more one of timing and expectation of delivery than it is purely about breaking moulds (I'd imagine most buying these models have been buying models for a while and long enough to accept that moulds do break and to know that these are out-of-production models being cast only until those moulds break). 
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    Overread got a reaction from Lex Orion in According to Richard Lawton expect news shortly   
    I think casting technology/skills have shifted. Early Spartan stuff was VERY spartan in design. Look at some early stuff like the old Dragonlords ships from Uncharted Seas and they were, honestly very boring ships for the most part. The hulls were very plain with, whilst good plank details, not much really going on. Now as they developed and grew we saw big strides on how they could achieve new things with new methods. Their designs got more gaudy and more ostentatious steadily. I think we saw it starting to happen with the newer fleets, whilst older ones retained their original design ethos. 
    Warcradle is clearly starting from a higher initial point of casting skill and technology so I think they get to put that more showy design into more of the core forces right from the launch. 
    For me I'll be interested to see how WC handles army variety, army size and also supermachines. I loved many of the bigger machine designs from Spartan so seeing them from WC will be very interesting. 
     
    So far the only WC choice I dislike is the change in scale of the ground game and the resulting removal of land assets from the sea game. Though I can see some logic in that - Spartan did have some issues balancing ships (which traditionally are very heavily armed) with regular tanks on the ground at times. And you could also see that some of the land and sea ships were mirrors of each other. Though I think the greatest loss is that the scale change means we won't see supersized land units appear in the game. We won't get thundering rolling mobile airfields, though we will at least get flying ones. Still we've not seen anything on that beyond the proposed ideas made a year or more back so things could always change and betewen the sea game; the legions (28mm) and then bringing back others like Firestorm - there's a LOT to keep WC busy before they have to commit to design choices on support/side games. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Lex Orion in Model availability   
    Aye it does feel that they teased a lot on Dystopian around Christmas and then ran out of steam on what to update us on when everything was changing around a lot. Then again they made a big choice to re-design a lot of the game models which was a very bold move considering that, whilst they gota messy delivery of moulds, they could have simply relaunched the games without the redesign. Then again considering that the rules are still in beta it might well be that redesign of models isn't actually the bottleneck on the timescales. 
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in According to Richard Lawton expect news shortly   
    I think casting technology/skills have shifted. Early Spartan stuff was VERY spartan in design. Look at some early stuff like the old Dragonlords ships from Uncharted Seas and they were, honestly very boring ships for the most part. The hulls were very plain with, whilst good plank details, not much really going on. Now as they developed and grew we saw big strides on how they could achieve new things with new methods. Their designs got more gaudy and more ostentatious steadily. I think we saw it starting to happen with the newer fleets, whilst older ones retained their original design ethos. 
    Warcradle is clearly starting from a higher initial point of casting skill and technology so I think they get to put that more showy design into more of the core forces right from the launch. 
    For me I'll be interested to see how WC handles army variety, army size and also supermachines. I loved many of the bigger machine designs from Spartan so seeing them from WC will be very interesting. 
     
    So far the only WC choice I dislike is the change in scale of the ground game and the resulting removal of land assets from the sea game. Though I can see some logic in that - Spartan did have some issues balancing ships (which traditionally are very heavily armed) with regular tanks on the ground at times. And you could also see that some of the land and sea ships were mirrors of each other. Though I think the greatest loss is that the scale change means we won't see supersized land units appear in the game. We won't get thundering rolling mobile airfields, though we will at least get flying ones. Still we've not seen anything on that beyond the proposed ideas made a year or more back so things could always change and betewen the sea game; the legions (28mm) and then bringing back others like Firestorm - there's a LOT to keep WC busy before they have to commit to design choices on support/side games. 
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in Production has begun?   
    I don't mind fewer models so long as the number is functional within the game and comparable to squad sizes. So if you get 3 frigates then I'd hope that frigate groups cap at a multiple of 3 and increase by single or multiple of three models. That way you can just buy another starting box and continue to expand the fleet without waste.
     
    I'm also open to them doing boxed sets a bit like Planetfall, indeed the helix system was very interesting in that it helped out on two fronts:
    1) It defeated unit spam by giving players diverse pre-designed unit blocks so you couldn't break things so easily with min-maxing units.
    2) It helped keep the stocking and shelfspace down. this is a big concern for games because you are only going to have limited space at most stores. So if you can get more models by having more boxed sets instead of dozens of blisters then that can really help. IT also makes the game simpler to newbies even once the armies have increased in diversity. 
     
     
    That said however they come I just want to see more models appearing. It was such a shame spartan shut down the way they did when their armies were getting thick with diversity and creativity. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to see what Warcradle has come up with and to see a return of some old favourites and ideas and new twists! Huge hovering mecha-squids; vast sky carriers; machine sea monsters, whales with bombs strapped to them like a torpe...oh wait we got that!
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in According to Richard Lawton expect news shortly   
    That's a big change to the Dindrenzie! They've gone from square to a prism shape and I like it. Very alien and mysterious. Also those sides make me think that seeing a carrier from them is going to look very cool. I also notice that the railgun muzzle design is closer to the smaller support ships that Spartan released nearer the end (I forget their name, frigate sized or so and basically a small flying railgun). Which I think really highlights that super powerful fore weapon far more so than the smaller circles that they had originally. 
     
    The only thing I dislike is that I can't see any support guns on its sides. I can clearly see the massive rail gun forward, but I can't see the smaller weapons. To me that's essential for a ship game, even if they are a bit out of scale to the rest of the ship, you've got to see the support weapon batteries. Otherwise it kind of loses the effect of a huge warship in space if you can visually only see the one weapon. Of course this is a work in progress look at the ship so there's ample reason that the support weapons might just not be on this render or worked out yet. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Tarnya in The Beta Lives!   
    EXCITEMENT!
    Darn I like those Relthoza designs! Though I kind of hope they don't got for the last one - I like the idea of a huge ship with spider-web like linkages, but the sane part of me thinks that it would be a nightmare to cast. Super thin parts that will be susceptible to snapping when just cleaning mould lines off. But still looks really cool and the basic concept of the ship designs is creative and I think brings out more of their spider influence. For all the greatness of the Spartan designs they never really said "spiderships made by superspiders" in the same way as their ground models did for Planetfall; which I think captured their designs far better as a species. 
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in The Beta Lives!   
    EXCITEMENT!
    Darn I like those Relthoza designs! Though I kind of hope they don't got for the last one - I like the idea of a huge ship with spider-web like linkages, but the sane part of me thinks that it would be a nightmare to cast. Super thin parts that will be susceptible to snapping when just cleaning mould lines off. But still looks really cool and the basic concept of the ship designs is creative and I think brings out more of their spider influence. For all the greatness of the Spartan designs they never really said "spiderships made by superspiders" in the same way as their ground models did for Planetfall; which I think captured their designs far better as a species. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Warcradle Tarnya in GENCON Funtimes - statcards   
    Whale Torpedoes - SIGN ME UP!
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in GENCON Funtimes - statcards   
    In fairness I can see why only some would get "counts as" rules or work as counts-as in the new system. The new system is clearly not going to launch with anywhere near the range of models that the old one had at its demise. Esp for the bigger armies like Britannia we won't see half as many ships at  launch and it might take years to rebuild to larger fleet diversities. And this is without weapon changes increasing the individual versatility of ships within the current game. 
    So yes I can see some models becoming redundant for a while; whilst others might change size etc..... Though I'm sure we'll see the "core" of fleets appear; it will be things like specialist ships and support units and some of the unique things that might not reappear or might not appear for a very long time. 
     
    The biggest hope is that the game grows fast once we are past this slow period of long betas and development. 
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in GENCON Funtimes - statcards   
    Whale Torpedoes - SIGN ME UP!
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in Model availability   
    Aye it does feel that they teased a lot on Dystopian around Christmas and then ran out of steam on what to update us on when everything was changing around a lot. Then again they made a big choice to re-design a lot of the game models which was a very bold move considering that, whilst they gota messy delivery of moulds, they could have simply relaunched the games without the redesign. Then again considering that the rules are still in beta it might well be that redesign of models isn't actually the bottleneck on the timescales. 
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    Overread got a reaction from Lex Orion in More info on 3.0 imminent?   
    I'm hoping this is the quiet before the storm - esp since Dropfleet/zone is going thruogh a big update and is basically the current biggest competitor for the space and ground market (after starwars in the space market though as that is pre-painted and star wars its in a league of its own really). 
     
    I agree this first half a year has been rather quiet after we got quite a bit of news in the build up to last christmas. That said I hope its just Warcradle taking their time to get things right so that we get a really powerful successful launch! It's just in that ugly phase of development where there isn't much to reliably market nor talk about in the open. 
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    Overread got a reaction from RuleBritannia in More info on 3.0 imminent?   
    I'm hoping this is the quiet before the storm - esp since Dropfleet/zone is going thruogh a big update and is basically the current biggest competitor for the space and ground market (after starwars in the space market though as that is pre-painted and star wars its in a league of its own really). 
     
    I agree this first half a year has been rather quiet after we got quite a bit of news in the build up to last christmas. That said I hope its just Warcradle taking their time to get things right so that we get a really powerful successful launch! It's just in that ugly phase of development where there isn't much to reliably market nor talk about in the open. 
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