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  1. 3 points
    Warcradle Richard

    new rules set

    It will be 3 years at the end of 2020. I know it seems like forever. And of course we'd like to have had all the games out sooner but, we were clear we didn't want to rush. The beta will be announced quite soon and we hope you can become enthused about it. The same free rulebook offer will happen for FSA as it has for both WWX and DW.
  2. 3 points
    Warcradle Stuart

    Warcradle Classics?

    This seems to be a common comment. Existing fans are irked that the miniatures they have purchased in significant quantities are not selling now. Could I suggest that a good reason is that the models are classics and designed for a game that is now largely only played by people that own significant fleets etc already? We only ever intended the classics range to be a customer service offering to the existing community. A way to give continuity to your collections and allow you to complete or fill or certain selections. The same is true for WWX. It is regrettable that the Classics offerings have not sold especially well compared to main range releases or to community expectation, but considering the time elapsed since the classic game was in production it is less surprising. The important part was that miniatures have made it into to the hands of fans that would otherwise have to rely on third partirs such as eBay or Facebook selling pages. On the subject of things we find especially irksome, for me it is that Warcradle is being accused of blaming the community for anything. While it's true that there have been a handful of toxic individuals who have had to be taken in hand, they are certainly not reflective of the amazing community that supports the games we make. Regarding those individuals, I do not think aeshva you are one of them, I realise it is comforting for those feeling isolated and embittered to cling to the general community and delude themselves that they are in the same mental space and that their personal views represent a groundswell of opinion. It is perfectly natural to do so. But we have a responsibility to keep the community spaces we look after safe from such self-destructive people.
  3. 2 points
    Warcradle Stuart

    new rules set

    It's likely the classic Firestorm is still played in various clubs and in peoples homes. But like all games that are no longer in active production, its natural for it to become a rarer game on the tabletop. For those that still play the Classic Firestorm Game, we have the Warcradle Classic miniatures to help complete your collections. There is a brand new game called Firestorm Armada in development. It is a new game that we hope appeals to many fans of science fiction space battles. Knowledge of or experience of the Classic Firestorm is completely unnecessary. If you have classic models you will, of course, be able to use them as a 'counts as' in the new Firestorm Armada, but there will be an entire range of new and exciting miniatures to enjoy!
  4. 2 points
    Warcradle Stuart

    new rules set

    Once Dystopian Wars launches you should expect to start hearing the wardrums for Firestorm!
  5. 2 points
    Overread

    Warcradle Classics?

    I'm sure if we just give WC time (and lots of money for resin) they'll get armies as big and diverse as what old Spartan gave us!
  6. 2 points
    Ragnarokilo

    Excelsior Games & Comics

    Update: Thanks to my badgering and the scent of gold in them thar hills, Excelsior is now an official Stockist.
  7. 2 points
    Small Mek

    Warcradle Classics?

    This is becoming a bit of a... volatile situation. Both parties want Warcradle to succeed, but the same situation looks real different from the two different perspectives. Warcradle is doing it’s best to make a game able to support itself, and I can understand why they are trying to play it as safe as possible: they are trying to avoid every misstep Spartan has made (even if it means avoiding some great steps along the way). They are also relying on the same facilities for creating the new Dystopian Wars models, and we all know how critical a launch can be for a game. If the stocks are low, it can spell doom for a system no matter how good. I think patience is still something that Warcradle can ask for, and it is for the good of both of FSA’s and DW’s future. Richard has stated (multiple times?) on facebook (more on that later), that the announcement will happen if everything is ready and not before, because they want to avoid an unsuccessful launch. The fans on the other hand are waiting, and to be honest, this close to the release the amount of fanfare is significantly smaller than it was when the IP was acquired. Without insider insight we are free to interpret this however we like, and it is easy to expect the worst (such is human nature), and become impatient. Most of the people interested in this thread are also trying to support the company with their wallets, and even though most can understand the causes behind a delayed delivery, there were plenty “IOU”s under the Christmas tree this year, and it can make people bitter and disappointed (even though I know we shouldn’t forget that the existence of the classics range is something to be celebrated, I won’t be less disheartened by this). Another sad fact is that these forums are not the forefront for communication, and even if facebook is reaching a wider audience, this platform is still the official platform for everything Warcradle, and neglecting it is probably not the best thing Warcradle can do. In my personal opinion the same patience and understanding is necessary from Warcradle’s part as well, and as everyone is getting more impatient, measures harsher than necessary can create backlashes everyone wants to avoid. I know, we cannot realistically expect Warcradle Richard to make weekly reports of the development or when a new batch of KoB escorts is coming, but something that is not a PR sculpted newsletter would make most people more content. And lastly a strictly personal opinion, that might sound controversial, but I have no intent to start a flamewar, so if it is too much, feel free to ignore this. The new DW is not going to make everyone happy, and nor we nor Warcradle should act like it will. Probably the intent was more sugarcoated than it should have been. I personally don’t blame Warcradle for this (who would want to alienate every old fan of the IP from the getgo?), but it’s happening with DW, and it will happen with FSA. Nobody owes the other party anything. We can ask, we can give our honest feedback, and in the end we can vote with our wallet. I’m not happy about this, but that won’t change anything. When (and if) the FSA beta comes, I’ll make sure to give as much feedback as humanly possible (as that system was and is closer to my heart), but for me the DW ship of old times has sailed (And with this marvellous pun, I’ll see myself out).
  8. 2 points
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    Being fast on response is and friendly good and nice, but to meet (reasonable) expecations is better. It would be nice if we can get a timeline for the models which are marked as "Restock Expected: Available To Order" or else to get a clear "out of production" for the models where the moulds are broken and the items are taken out of the shop.
  9. 2 points
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    I totally agree with the second phrase. And I'm also with Lex Orion and the first phrase. I'm waiting since september.. I'm willing to buy more ships and promote the game in my area (which is IMO very importent for every company - have older players to reach new customers) but I'm still waiting for news and solutions which fits me.
  10. 2 points
    Lex Orion

    Warcradle Classics?

    I am not agree with the firs phrase as I explained before. KS was a killer or they were dying and Ks bakers were not enough to resurrect them? I hope to get my purchased and not received ships and more old ships.
  11. 2 points
    Lex Orion

    Warcradle Classics?

    I understand your point of view and it is fair. Your company, your rules. Equally, old players can be in disagreement about your policy and explain it. Perhaps some old players (like me) are frustrated because the end of Spartan and the difficulty to get some old ships and because we were excited when you got the rights of Spartan´s DW and FA and we trust that you would continue their legacy.
  12. 2 points
    Lex Orion

    Warcradle Classics?

    I understand that it is not easy to know how to take the best way for the success of a game or a company.... but to buy the rights of a good miniatures game and change it (rules and models) is a big risk. If it is a success for you, I am happy for you. But I want the old ships and their design. Perhaps, it would have been good to continue the Spartan´s legacy and promote the game to try new players. You have old players who want to complete their fleets and, probably, another old fleets. And, surely, the old players would try to gain more new players and sales for you. Perhaps you have low sells of old ships because the old players and some new players are not sure to be able to complete the fleets because there are not all the ships in the shop. I have purchased a lot of DW ships in Wayland on October 1, 2019 and I am still waiting many of them. Also, they send me some wrong ships (I ordered 6 Russian Veliky Escorts and they sent me 6 Novgorod Frigates) and I am still waiting a response (more than one month later). I want to purchase more ships, but I am still waiting news and solutions. I desire the best for you, and the satisfaction of old and new players. If we can to complete our fleets, even to get more (whole) fleets, sure, we were very happy. It will be good for you, it isn´t?
  13. 2 points
    RuleBritannia

    Warcradle Classics?

    Why would alienating existing fans by making the setting and models people already have incompatible make something more popular and successful? And why would fans of a weird Wild West Skirmish be a better market for steampunk boats then people that already buy Steampunk boats. But I'm no businesstician. People seem to have big back orders on this very thread of large amounts of Dystopian Wars models they want to buy, while second hand groups seem to do a brisk sale. If the market is as bad as you say why would people even buy your version with less variety, no fanbase, and a very slow release? More importantly, does this mean that no more Spartan models will be produced or sold by your good selves?
  14. 2 points
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    Thousands of hours? Into the classic range, really? Not with the rules, not with (sadly) shipping, only with the online shop? Which have a lot of bugs e.g. smalls (frigates, destroyers) which cost much more than mediums (cruisers). And with the volumes - we (the customers) have only little information with the new rules, the ships doesn't fit with the rules we (or maybe I) know and they are yet not ready published. A lot of the classic modells are not deliverable/shippable... What do you think, you sell tons of miniatures from the classics range? I think most will wait with an order. Maybe/hopefully this will change with the start of 3.0. But from my point of view this start has already been bungeld with the announcment of 2 mediums where you want 3 and 4 small where you want 5 in the new boxes... In different german forums there are a lot of warnings over the past years about wayland and there policy and shipping. Only GW articels seems to work they say. You still confirm them.
  15. 2 points
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    Sad to hear! Do you still deliver the open orders?
  16. 2 points
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    Played a 2.300 points game with my RoF against my brothers RC last night. I do love this game!!! We had a couple of exiting moments - magazine detonation, sturginium flare caused with my heat lances. Incredible powerful attacks with russian primary guns and a death run bomb attack from 3 Myshkin against my La Rochelle - vaporised it. And a final salvo from my Royans against his Moskva, needing a damaging critical hit in order to finally sink it and win the game, but made only a critical hit but with a hard pounding... I do love this game and hope to get more classical models!
  17. 1 point
    Paraxanthine

    Reviving the official wiki

    Changelog ; - Dindrenzi completed - Most of aquan done Total ships processed so far : 244 Ships left to do (some aquan, and all those of the RSN) : 27. An then, some Rules, Taskforce stats, and Lore if I find some.
  18. 1 point
    Pathogen

    new rules set

    Excellent
  19. 1 point
    Brimstone

    new rules set

    Thanks for the update. Information on FSA has been fleeting. So I will certainly look forward to the beta when released.
  20. 1 point
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    Got some models of my missing order. Two Sturginium Rigs - awesome model! And one set of the old iceberg models. The Cerberus Pocket Battleship (RFA) seems to be also available - hope the rest will follow soon.
  21. 1 point
    Ragnarokilo

    Excelsior Games & Comics

    Privately owned, and referred to occasionally as the worst restaurant in town, Excelsior has been serving Greenville and Montcalm County at large as its FLGS for over half a decade. Rob keeps a good selection of comics and games in stock and is always happy to special order anything you might need. The real draw, for anyone on here, is going to be the play space. Four custom built 6*4 tables are dedicated specifically to the Wargame crowd, including a display table that is always set up ready for a game with the latest terrain hot off the bed of one of our local friends printers. Thanks to generous donations by the minis community, there are mats and terrain to match nearly any setting you could want to play in, and more being added all the time. Open Wednesday-Sunday, 11-10. Excelsior Games & Comics 304 S Lafayette St. Greenville,MI https://www.facebook.com/Excelsior.Games.and.Comics/ (616) 225 - 3350
  22. 1 point
    aeshva

    Warcradle Classics?

    It’s a tough one to be honest. Lots of folk genuinely want to see Warcradle succeed with a universe and game that they’re heavily invested in. they’ve put time and effort into their game, and I feel that game would have perhaps had a fairer reception from folk if it hadn’t pretended to be something that it’s not. It’s not dystopian wars, or anything particularly related to the dystopian wars IP - and as a game on its own, it is reasonable. As the next iteration of a venerable ruleset, it faces many hurdles and comparisons that are perfectly fair for a game pretending to be based on something else. whereas Spartan was primarily focussed on games rather than profit (a conversation for another time perhaps), Warcradle and wayland are focussed on profit/product over games. In itself that’s no bad thing, it’s how the world works; it just means that current and past fans of the setting need to understand in no uncertain terms that any goodwill and support from the IP holder ends when the profitability does. It’s easier in that setting to finish every exciting new update about a game with “until your wallet runs dry, then we’re on to new pastures”. It’s business pure and simple; if you remember uk ultra capitalism from the late 90’s, you won’t be disappointed. in terms of some people’s views that the classics range is / is not profitable - unfortunately this falls into a lot of the problems encountered in dialogue with Warcradle - facts. Folk that aren’t in a position to argue the financial facts simply have to accept what Warcradle says, and it can be difficult to understand how a red ball is blue. personally, I don’t see how thousands of man hours can have been wasted in the classics range, given what I’ve read in various forums and groups from Warcradle staff about the process, unless of course it’s been woefully mismanaged. That could be true, but it’s still hard to understand how a company that makes its money through the sale (and thus internal logistics) of models, can find it so difficult to spin a profit on a model line not dissimilar in production scale to WWX. the point is though, I can’t see all the Financial data, and what I’m being told doesn’t make good business sense, hence the impasse in understanding experienced by some. A case of beautiful clock towers in Salisbury perhaps? the one repeated point that really does get on my wick Richard, is your continued assertion that the models don’t sell well because the supposed fans aren’t buying them. You’re not an idiot, so I’m certain it’s not escaped your knowledge that sales will dip for a range you are actively telling folk won’t be supported. If you were actively incorporating those elements into the new edition rather than making them stand out as smaller, less stylistically endorsed models, they would have the potential for a greater fan base. As it stands, the future of the models is constantly bashed by the IP owner, and sidelined to the point where they won’t be profitable. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, not the fault of the community for not making it profitable. if more positive effort had been made using the classics range from the start then I could accept the profitability trope, but as it stands Warcradle have made very little effort to actually endorse the models beyond simply saying “some of these old models we don’t like and won’t support are in our store, buy them” Finally, while it’s great that you address concerns and valid points on the forum, as well as on social media, I note that there is still the tendency to ignore, berate, ban folk or censor difficult questions.
  23. 1 point
    RuleBritannia

    Warcradle Classics?

    My apologies for the time taken, but Richard asked for the full list so I spent the time to do my research and check sources and came up with 20 things that Warcradle should apologise for to existing fans to make things better and understand how they could of and can improve. 1. Purchasing Spartan games without a plan 2. Not explaining to fans the loss of masters and extant CAD design and hence requiring redesign 3. Rather than explaining to fans the loss of material, blaming fans for the needs of a redesign 4. Blaming fans for the fall of Spartan rather than the reality of the owners own problems and the nature of the Halo licence 5. A lack of honesty on plans for the game with early statements suggesting a continuation of the extant game with a shakeup of factions which did not come to pass 6. Reliance on fans to update Orbats but no thanks or credit shown publicly 7. Blaming fans for negative reactions to Warcradle designs rather than accepting criticism was helpful when designs later changed based on fan feedback 8. Statements with unrealistic timescales which suggested releases at least a year ago 9. Failure to create a vision for Dystopian Wars and Dystopian Age 10. The problematic absorption of Dystopian Wars into the WWX setting with its attendant racism, sexism, fantastical elements and more unrealistic models being at odds with Spartan’s vision of a gilded age based on class warfare 11. The unwillingness to make the extant game compatible with the new ones, especially with the change of scale for the armoured game 12. Unwillingness to thank fans for pointing out the problematic and racist tropes involved in the Chi Vampire and Celestial Empire leading to the change of both 13. Unwillingness to promote the game 14. Unwillingness to promote the Classics range especially as a collection of Spartan models 15. Mishandling the sale of the Classics range for which fans were blamed 16. Mishandling of social media leading to unnecessary antagonism 17. Antagonism rather than conciliation as a rule 18. Release of material for Firestorm Armada and Uncharted Seas without explaining how many years in advance of product it was 19. Planned release of product without full unit sizes and cut down material that makes it harder for the player to collect the range 20. Accusing critics of being mentally ill
  24. 1 point
    Banelord

    Warcradle Classics?

    I can confirm this, your customer service is always fast and friendly with his response. I think KS was a very big killer, most of the ~1.000 backers got nothing. I can't speak for the possible new customers, but me, as an existing customer; I'm willing to buy more fleets, especially the classical ones. I like the chinese and EotBS models and had plans to buy complete fleets from both, after the arrival of my KS-Stuff... I'm not sure if I like to buy the new stuff, it seems that the size (and style) doesn't fit to my existing ones. That would be a ko-criteria. So I'm still hoping that more classical models will be available within the next 2 month.
  25. 1 point
    Warcradle Richard

    Warcradle Classics?

    Danny What on earth are you on about? What do we need to apologise for and what on earth have we done where our intentions are not clear? Interactions with you are draining, you always go out of your way to seek something that hasn't been said. We didn't have to bring classics out. It has been a huge sink of time, money and focus and we did it to allow players from before we took over to fill gaps in fleets etc. We didn't have to do it. Yet we did. We have involved the community in extensive playtesting. You only speak for yourself, yet you always try and imply you speak for all the old players of Spartan's games. We get that you don't like our vision, surely now it's time to accept that we want to take the games in a different direction than you want us to. That doesn't mean we have ignore old players at all. It just means you yourself don't like it.
  26. 1 point
    Overread

    Warcradle Classics?

    All very true points indeed. I well remember comments that not only were many of the moulds old/not in good condition, but that they also arrived in a very haphazard fashion and took a fair bit of time to sort out what was actually what. That said for us fans on the outside much of it is just ideas being thrown around. I suspect many of these issues will steadily reduce once the new range starts to hit the high seas and the shelves. In fact those looking to build their classic collections up might actually find the secondhand market picks up as whilst some will want a full old style fleet; others might start "trading up" selling old versions of the ships for new sculpts so it could take some pressure off that aspect of the market. In the end we are all gamers who are just super keen to see something we love back on the shelves, especially as the whole steam punk sea warfare market is basically empty (heck lets be honest SG was the biggest brand in its scale in a very long while - traditionally a niche that tends to only survive with historical games and with micro companies where there might be just one guy casting and producing everything). So here's to 2020 the year that Dystopian Wars returns to the high seas!
  27. 1 point
    RuleBritannia

    Warcradle Classics?

    I don't think we ever did Pok, but certainly the Kickstarter killed them more by being too successful then not arriving at demands so it suggests there is and was a market for a steampunk boat game from steampunk boat fans, rather than there being a mysterious new source of people who want to play a steampunk boat game but only if it has nothing whatsoever to do with Spartan Games.
  28. 1 point
    Overread

    Warcradle Classics?

    I think it sounds like a bit of a catch22 in that demand for classics is low because most are listed out of stock and/or take a very long time to get cast when ordered which reduces the number of orders which reduces the amount of resources that WC is able to devote to them. Resin casting is more labour intensive than, say, plastic casting and when there's a huge library its not as profitable if the sales are really low as the prices are designed to work with volume rather than 4 of one ship then 1 of another etc..... Instead of 50 of each being cast in batch style production. I think it didn't help that Spartan had already started the process of killing off its own fanbase somewhat before the end and the end hit hard and many casual fans might not even be fully aware that the classics range is out there- having moved on to other games. Plus WC isn't marketing things all that heavily right now (a few events are attended through the year and there IS marketing in that - but its not the major "we are launching with a date" kind of marketing. Personally I think the Classics might actually become more viable if they were perhaps done a bit like how GW does it. Release DW the new game; release an army with a big focus on them and then do a push of classic castings only for that army on order to cast up for. Whilst I dislike GW's "1 week" policy with that (because its REALLY annoying and short term with little advanced warning); it does focus customers into a specific window and builds on the marketing interest already generated by the new models. In theory the new marketing gets old fans back who do take up the option of grabbing some old classic sculpts.
  29. 1 point
    Warcradle Richard

    Warcradle Classics?

    There is a tendency to rely on your own personal viewpoint and then apply it to a situation that doesn't fit with assumptions. The demand for DW classics just isn't high. The effort to keep a large number of low demand SKU's in stock and manage and maintain them is a cost to us. We carried the cost initially as we were told there was demand. There is some demand but just not enough to keep them in production. It;s just the reality of the demand and our decision to better use the resources for products that generate a return. We will do our best to fulfil any outstanding orders. Regarding warnings about Wayland, I see this often and it irks me. We sell more hobby product than any other independent retailer in the world and the vast majority of orders go out promptly. We ship well over 1000 orders most days and the number of issues is tiny in comparison, but we also have a dedicated customer services team that will be able to solve almost every issue. I know we invest far more in service and technology than any other retailer in this industry and we have never stood still and accepted that we cant improve. My staff are constantly pushed and motivated to improve.
  30. 1 point
    Paraxanthine

    Reviving the official wiki

    Changelog ; - Directorate completed - Relthoza completed I found Taskforce stat sheets for pretty much every ship on this forum so I'll add those to the wiki later. Merry christmas and happy new year everyone !
  31. 1 point
    Warcradle Richard

    new rules set

    We will make some announcements soon. We have about 10 Creatives in the Studio at the moment, not including management, and we are about to recruit 7 more roles about to be announced tomorrow.
  32. 1 point
    Overread

    new rules set

    Honestly I wouldn't expect big steps in the Firestorm department until we see Dystopian pushed further forward. We've also no real idea of WC's plans for how fast and how much they will roll out for Dystopian Wars - remembering that they are redesigning many of the factions and models to new sculpts as well as some adjustments to alliances. I don't think we've really got an idea how big a team and production setup WC have either - plus they already produce WWE products. So predictions are hard and its honestly the worst of times at present as whilst things are surely chugging along, there just isn't much to tantalize us. Esp since its likely they are still in phases where many things get changed or adjusted, dropped and added and where progress just takes time. It would be foolish of WC to build up hype too much now and leave us with a long period of nothing or have to change plans . That siad they are now making classic sculpts up for sale so there is that to look forward too! : )
  33. 0 points
    Pok

    Warcradle Classics?

    Why would trying to please existing fans work? There's absolutely no proof that by the end of SG there's been enough customers to make it worth the trouble. I don't remember the details by now, but didn't we find out that SG's entire customer database consisted of few thousand entries only?
  34. 0 points
    Warcradle Richard

    Warcradle Classics?

    That's assumes we have lots of viable moulds and masters. The moulds are old and most of the masters are broken. Should a mould have 10 items on it the moulds degradation might mean only 4 are viable casts. Those 4 casts take almost as much effort to produce as a full new mould of 10 or 50, whatever number it might be. You are assuming there is some demand out there that simply isn't there currently.
  35. 0 points
    Warcradle Richard

    Warcradle Classics?

    Sadly, the volumes ships sell at is tiny compared to the numbers of even obscure items GW sells. We have tied up thousands of hours into the classics range already, it is not a money making exercise for us, simply as way of allowing classics players to close some gaps in their collections. It is most likely that DW classics will be closed at some point in the new year, just prior to the release of the new game.
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